My stroke. Ten foot snooker

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Miya Butreaks

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Here's a little clip of me playing some ten ball on a ten foot snooker table with normal size ball set. So keep that in mind when I miss a couple dumb shots :smile:.

Just wanted to see if anyone could see anything wrong with my stroke or form here. Granted, I play a bit differently here than I do on a typical pool table.

My phone switched itself from 720p to 480p for some reason, and it didn't like the bright light. I'll try and take a high quality video with my camera in the next couple days.

Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5ILVX9ZcDE
 
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That's very nice. I like it.

Your routine is always the same.

Looks like your small elbow drop comes from you being ahead of perpendicular. Maybe just two fingers back on the cue would clean up your hit on the cue ball.

Watch your cue stick go sideways on a couple of shots, that would scare me.

Do you look at the cue ball last in your shooting routine?

Well done,
randyg
 
Thanks for the posts guys, I appreciate your taking the time to make them.

Randy, when I established my pre-shot routine a while back I focused on the object ball upon contact, so I assume it's probably still the same.

Neil, when I initially shot the 6 I knew pocketing it was very unlikely at just about any speed. I did however lapse into a standard pocket thought pattern and smacked it too hard. Since shooting this rail shot with 2.25" balls even at low speed, is very low percentage; I did not want to bore everyone with ten or so attempts at making it.

With my speed to get shaped on the 7 I agree that I hit it too hard. I've been working on straightening a curve in my stroke and I think that has hurt the smoothness of my stroke and my low speed shots. So I'm hoping once I have managed to retrain a smooth delivery, these shots will become easy for me once again.

Thanks again guys.
 
Miya Butreaks said:
Thanks for the posts guys, I appreciate your taking the time to make them.

Randy, when I established my pre-shot routine a while back I focused on the object ball upon contact, so I assume it's probably still the same.

Neil, when I initially shot the 6 I knew pocketing it was very unlikely at just about any speed. I did however lapse into a standard pocket thought pattern and smacked it too hard. Since shooting this rail shot with 2.25" balls even at low speed, is very low percentage; I did not want to bore everyone with ten or so attempts at making it.

With my speed to get shaped on the 7 I agree that I hit it too hard. I've been working on straightening a curve in my stroke and I think that has hurt the smoothness of my stroke and my low speed shots. So I'm hoping once I have managed to retrain a smooth delivery, these shots will become easy for me once again.

Thanks again guys.
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Very good. I noticed a realy short, quick set position in the vid. At what point do you transfer your eyes to the object ball?

randyg
 
randyg said:
Very good. I noticed a realy short, quick set position in the vid. At what point do you transfer your eyes to the object ball?

randyg
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I look at the object ball just as I begin my final backstroke.

I hadn't noticed how far forward I was holding my cue, so I've been working on holding further back, it feels nice.

While practicing tonight I realized just how much my stroke has changed over the last several months. Although my stroke seems to be pretty straight, I don't have much stroking power for draw and english. I'm attributing it to added muscle tension in my arm. I'm having a bit of a hard time loosening up, when I do I tend to pull my hand inwards on my backstroke. Oh well, I guess the practice goes on.

Neil, I will keep the cross corner bank in mind. I need to start playing more one pocket, I'll gain some confidence for those shots.

Thanks guys,
 
I took your advice for a tournament last night Neil, and wow. My game felt just like it did a year and a half ago when I was playing my best. It took me back to before I got so obsessed with shooting perfectly that I got in my own way.

I don't know if my stroke was straight or not, but it doesn't matter. I shot smooth, automatically, and was running out without much difficulty.

You would think I should know to let my subconscious handle the game already, considering my experience and my majors (psychology and neuroscience).

Thanks for helping me remember what "real" playing is.
 
Neil said:
Now and then I get the same problem. For some reason, it seems to creep up over time. But, I've learned over time that if I am having trouble controlling the cb, or my stroke isn't going straight as often as it should, that my grip has tightened up on me for whatever reason.

That is when I will immediately change up to an extremely loose grip. So loose that the cue will actually slide through my fingers a little. On delivery, the cue does ALL the work. I essentially release it. I don't let it drop to the floor, it stays cradled, but it is free to slide through my hand. That immediately straightens things out, and I have control back.

My normal grip is somewhere between those two extremes, but still loose. You want to just cradle the cue, not much actual grip to it. You want the cue to do all the work.

One other thing, the more you think about it, the more trouble you will have with it. Your conscious mind doesn't control your muscles very well at all. Try just telling yourself what you want to do, then let your subconscious actually do all the work for you. It makes a big difference!
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Very important and well said!
That s the main reason to practice. To train your muscle memory! So you will execute those "mechanical things about your stroke" just subconcsiously. That s the key.

Good advice from Neill ;)

lg from overseas,

Ingo
 
Miya Butreaks said:
I look at the object ball just as I begin my final backstroke.

I hadn't noticed how far forward I was holding my cue, so I've been working on holding further back, it feels nice.

While practicing tonight I realized just how much my stroke has changed over the last several months. Although my stroke seems to be pretty straight, I don't have much stroking power for draw and english. I'm attributing it to added muscle tension in my arm. I'm having a bit of a hard time loosening up, when I do I tend to pull my hand inwards on my backstroke. Oh well, I guess the practice goes on.

Neil, I will keep the cross corner bank in mind. I need to start playing more one pocket, I'll gain some confidence for those shots.

Thanks guys,
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I think I may be able to help you with your power issues. I think your stroke timing is sometimes a bit off ---- meaning that you aren't maximizing your stroke speed at the point of impact. This can be due to a few factors, such as bringing the cue back too fast without a sufficient pause at the end of the backstroke. Try settling your mind when you're ready to stroke by taking a small pause with your cue tip at the cue ball before you begin your final stroke. Then take your cue stick back a little more controlled and deliberate. (You'll have to experiment with the transitional pause at the end of your backstroke. Some players like to hold the cue there for a bit longer than others.) You may suddenly find yourself with more power --- sometimes even more than you bargain for, which isn't a bad thing once you learn to control it.
 
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