NAPA league questions

IamCalvin06

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Can any of the NAPA players out there share some of the things they like about NAPA as opposed to APA.

I was on there website but couldn't get any info regarding the handicap, format, or benefits.

Any info whether its things u like or dislike would be helpful.
 
Can any of the NAPA players out there share some of the things they like about NAPA as opposed to APA.

I was on there website but couldn't get any info regarding the handicap, format, or benefits.

Any info whether its things u like or dislike would be helpful.

What I like:

1. The rules. They are mostly BCA with a couple small differences. 8-ball is called shot. 9-ball is slop, but you have to call the 9. 10-ball is called shot/called safe with a play-option. The rules are here: http://www.napaleagues.com/naparules/

2. Scoring. You only mark wins and losses (also, on-the-snaps, break-and-outs, and rackless). If you win, your handicap goes up a little (1 or 2 points), if you lose it goes down a point or two.

3. Time. Our division is 5 man teams with 3 people playing per week. We start at 6:30 and it's a slow night if we're still playing at 9:30.

What I dislike:

1. Our division is small because most people still play APA.
 
Having played in both, (APA - where I ran a league for upwards of 8 years and played in said league for 10+) and (NAPA - where I've played for over a year and a half now), I've been to the APA Nationals 4 times, and their singles twice. I've now been to the NAPA Nationals once (in my first year of playing). I'll give my opinion for what it's worth.

First, APA puts the players a very distant second to their own business interests. They have for years tailored their league so that handicaps inevitably rise over time while keeping a strict limit on team numbers such that teams must split and reform. This isn't the worst thing in the world but it does create problems if you're looking for a league to play in with friends. Over time it becomes impossible. NAPA isn't nearly as strict, giving LO's flexibility to configure leagues to avoid this on the local level. APA simply wants you to go up to a point where you have to split, create more teams and then expand the league. It's always business first, player second.

Second, APA is tailored for the less skilled players in their normal leagues. Everything about their scoring structure gives an advantage to the lesser skilled players from the double reduction the more skilled players suffer from, to the new 3 point scoring system which favors lesser players getting valuable points in many cases where they haven't even earned them and it's because of a single mistake by the higher skilled player giving them a single game which might put that lesser player on the hill, which in turn comes with valuable points. (This same system took away so much strategy from the team concept as well.) All of these same things lead to the lesser players going up sooner than they might otherwise, which leads to issue number one above at some point. NAPA has none of these hangups. The race matrix isn't stacked one way or the other for lesser or higher skilled players. It's steady and even from top to bottom. As for bonus points, there's no double reduction putting players on the hill for winning a single game whether it was given to them or won by themselves.

Third, as previously mentioned, scoring is so much simpler in NAPA and now it's even better with it being paperless as well.

Fourth, sandbagging. This is a big one. It's ingrained in APA. They don't want to admit it, but it's there, in nearly every league. It was in my home state, it is in the local leagues where I live now. It's part of the system and it's there because of the system. There are too many holes in the handicap system. I know the system because of my past history with running a league. I won't divulge here, it's not my place, nor would I want to do that to the APA for any reason. I can tell you though, that the handicap system is flawed from a player's perspective. It is geared to issue number one and because of that, it has holes that can be exploited by sandbagging. On top of that, they don't strictly enforce their own rules against because most LO's don't want to have to kick players from their leagues and lose revenue (back to the business thing). NAPA has ZERO sandbagging. You win, you eventually go up. You lose, you eventually go down. There's no sandbagging and winning, period.

Final comments....

APA still rules the roost because they've been there so long. They have one big thing going for them. That lure of Las Vegas for the Nationals. Most don't realize that they could take the money spend on playing in APA all year and have their own expenses paid trip to Vegas and have quite a good time. I believe that if NAPA would move their Nationals to Vegas it wouldn't be long before APA might not be on top of the heap anymore. NAPA has a better scoring system, better flexibility. More transparency in seeing what a player has done on their website without hiding everything behind passwords, etc.

There are many other things, such as annual memberships for APA (none for NAPA), money paid out each session depending on how you and your LO want to structure your local leagues. It's far easier to qualify for the NAPA Nationals than it is the APA. The Nationals are run smoother, certainly for things like side tourneys at the events. You can also qualify in multiple events at the NAPA Nationals where you won't have to worry about losing to a sandbagging team that doesn't get DQ'd til the end of the tourney when it's too late for you to continue on. I see very little that APA has over NAPA right now if you look past the Las Vegas thing and if you're serious about playing that's easy to do.

Just my thoughts on the leagues and why I play in NAPA leagues right now.
 
Additionally, to what others have stated, NAPA also has "laggers choice" with the winner of the lag either choosing to break or choose the game format(8,9 or 10 ball). That is the biggest thing for me. I despise playing the same game all the time.
 
i currently play 2 apa divisions and just joined another team to make it 2 napa divisions also.i would have to say i enjoy both equally....perhaps its just because i like to play pool no matter what the format is. :D

we have quite a few players besides my self that play both leagues
 
What I like:

No sandbagging, since every individual win and the way in which you win (bonus points for total domination of your opponent) is so important to your team's ultimate placing in the league, and it seems that you can't just "pull an APA" and coast into the play-offs with low-handicaps that allow you to destroy every other team there.

Love the small team format and how quick I get out of there, as fellow NAPA players have stated.

This may be situational to my area, but I also feel like there's many more talented, challenging players in the league (two players in the top 10 national rankings play in my area). There are probably just as many in APA, but since so many of them are busy padding their handicaps during the regular session, you rarely get to see how they would truly match up to you, and therefore have less opportunity to learn.

In my league you don't get the option of choosing which game you'll play after winning the lag, in fact I've never heard of this -- but that sounds awesome.

What I dislike:

Luck factor in 10-ball since you can combo the 10 in and have it count. Also leads to a lot of desperate, dumb shots that run-out players should not be going for.

What I hate:

No three-foul rule in 10-ball. Safeties are still huge, but I always get bummed when I realize I have someone on 2 fouls and I could easily win the game if the rule were in place. This happens way more than you'd think, as some will not put much effort into a safety-response, since there isn't any penalty worse than bih for going on 1 foul. The guy who taught me 10 ball repeatedly 3-fouled me, so I guess I just came to really love its place in the game as a potential pressure-point.

I highly recommend it. I have virtually no interest in playing APA again, except to hang out more often with friends that happen to still be playing in the league.
 
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So I keep reading that the NAPA league has gone paperless but I can't find the apps anywhere. For what I have seen so far the league seems good and the only negative I would say is their lack of available information. I did find one app for the Napa league 8 ball match up calculator but it was only for a windows phone. 49% of people own iPhones 49% of people own android phones and 2% have window's phones seems like a waste of time.

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The one biggest factor is NAPA LO are MANDATED to provide a minimum of 50% of the dues directly back to the players in the form of cash prizes and trophies. They can do more, but it has to be at least 50% minimum.....

Thus, it works as a modified cash league, and the top teams take home the cheese.
 
So I keep reading that the NAPA league has gone paperless but I can't find the apps anywhere. For what I have seen so far the league seems good and the only negative I would say is their lack of available information. I did find one app for the Napa league 8 ball match up calculator but it was only for a windows phone. 49% of people own iPhones 49% of people own android phones and 2% have window's phones seems like a waste of time.

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It is not an app. Just uses the web browser on your phone. napaplay.com I think. To scorekeep, you need the division ID and the Captain's ID. Anyone can log in and see real time scoring, stats, etc.

I play Lagger's choice Napa and enjoy it.




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