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Checking again to rework my 1974 Brunswick Windsor 8 ft able. I found a company that has a table crew and cost is $695 for Championship Euroblue cloth intalled, $200 extra for new cushions. I am attracted to Simonis Tournament blue color, I guess Euroblue is similar. Another $200 extra for Simonis cloth. Seems high to me, I don't recall it costing that much when I checked into this a couple years ago. Is it a fair price? I do have another guy to contact.

Also, I recall there being different blends of Simonis. What's up with 2020 Simonis offerings? What would you buy? And I do realize some would say just buy the Championship, it'll do. I would like to have a quality roll. Hasn't been done in 46 years! Room is part of my main house but it's a long-ago remodeled enclosed garage. Has a fireplace and and also a window a/c; does not have room insulation, so, the temp varies quite a bit! I dunno if that matters long as it's not below freezing or uber hot but I will say that the room, in a year's time varies between 40 and 85 degrees and my house stays about 72 degrees. I know the temp there because I put a thermometer there! Of course, if I am using it, I get it comfortable. Looking into ways to make it less variable.
 
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Sounds high to me. Simonis 860HR for an 8FT and rails is just under $350 for materials. I’d guess 2-3 hours labor on top of that.

I paid $700 for GC setup from complete tear down with new 860HR cloth.

I’m sure the Championship stuff is excellent, most seem to prefer Simonis. The HR is slightly more but is designed to wear better.

May wanna check the mechanic forum for someone close to you. Might get some good responses there.

Good luck!


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Location is Northwest Louisiana area, near Shreveport.

Is a cloth and bumper replacement and leveling job typically done by one person or requires more?
 
For the sake of comparison, I just got a quote for $850 to have new cushions and standard cloth installed on my 7' Canada Billiards table, so I don't think you're too far off. Premium cloth from Accu-Guard would be an additional $300 if I go that route.
 
I'd highly suggest asking in the "Ask a mechanic" section, lots of good knowledge there, they may even recommend someone near you.
 
livemusic said:
Checking again to rework my 1974 Brunswick Windsor 8 ft able. I found a company that has a table crew and cost is $695 for Championship Euroblue cloth intalled, $200 extra for new cushions. I am attracted to Simonis Tournament blue color, I guess Euroblue is similar. Another $200 extra for Simonis cloth. Seems high to me, I don't recall it costing that much when I checked into this a couple years ago. Is it a fair price? I do have another guy to contact.

Also, I recall there being different blends of Simonis. What's up with 2020 Simonis offerings? What would you buy? And I do realize some would say just buy the Championship, it'll do. I would like to have a quality roll. Hasn't been done in 46 years! Room is part of my main house but it's a long-ago remodeled enclosed garage. Has a fireplace and and also a window a/c; does not have room insulation, so, the temp varies quite a bit! I dunno if that matters long as it's not below freezing or uber hot but I will say that the room, in a year's time varies between 40 and 85 degrees and my house stays about 72 degrees. I know the temp there because I put a thermometer there! Of course, if I am using it, I get it comfortable. Looking into ways to make it less variable.
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The recover job for that blend of cloth sounds $ overpriced, but the new cushion rubber installation job sounds $ underpriced. You need to make sure they use a top quality set of cushion rubbers which for that table would be Brunswick Superspeed cushions and not an inexpensive $30-$40/set that they likely use standard for play home table cushion replacement jobs. Generally the labor cost alone for a new cushion replacement job would be a minimum of $200. Removing all the old glue from the subrails alone is a tedious time consuming job.
 
From what I'm seeing right now, guys are super busy and demanding a premium compared to 6 months or a year ago. The stimulus has raised prices on everything.
 
Get the cloth you want. The difference in price isn’t enough to make you regret it every time you play.

However choose for playability and not durability. You don’t need top notch cloth on a home table...doubly so if no kids playing on it etc. A decent cloth kept clean should last you through your own mortality.

I can’t comment on costs for you area.

re temperature variation. I have a snooker table in a dedicated billiards room but also a Dufferin 9 foot in a less insulated addition where we have a gym and hobbies. It varies from just about freezing to the 80’s. No issues with the table. I put the baseboard heating on when we play in winter. The real issue is moisture. We live in a dry climate In Western ?Canads ...no problem. In contrast, I used to live in Nova Scotia (seaside damp) and was always aware of mold, condensation, etc.
 
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Sounds high to me. Simonis 860HR for an 8FT and rails is just under $350 for materials. I’d guess 2-3 hours labor on top of that.
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2-3 hours for a cushion replacement and recovering a table that hasn't been touched in 46 years would be an absolute hack job.

Even junk cushions are $89
Simonis 860 is $320

For cushion replacement, I typically charge somewhere in the proximity of $250+ extra, depending on cushion choice. This also includes correcting the pocket angles, with a quality 3/16" neoprene facing. In this case, the original cushions would be the Brunswick Monarch cushion. Since this is no longer made, I would recommend correcting the sub-rail angle to accommodate a modern day K-55 profile cushion. This would be an additional $200 for me. Any additional rail repairs would be extra. Tighter pockets are also extra. For that, I always recommend sub-rail extensions. Usually an extra $200.

To replace cloth, I'm at $325 labor + cloth + mileage. I generally include leveling the table, and bonding the seams together. However, in this case, there would be an additional fee, since the table hasn't been touched in 46 years. I would guess that the slates have sagged, which will make it undoubtedly more difficult to level.

I'm figuring a minimum of 8 hours, to do a quality job.

Of course, there is some deviation in regional pricing; though, for a top-quality job, you are looking at somewhere in the proximity of $1000 for Championship cloth + any extras.
 
Say, the entire room has a tight knap carpet, kind of an indoor/outdoor carpet that's been there all its years. So, that is what the table legs sink into. I don't have to replace it but I might. I might would put laminate flooring down, me and worker could do that as DIY project. We've done it before. If so, how long (if any) would it need to 'sit' before putting a table in. No issue? When we did laminate flooring a few years back, we put down the foam mat material under the laminate, I assume that is still the procedure. Hmmm... although, laminate flooring might be colder than carpet in this non-insulated room? (It has a fireplace and also a window a/c for the summer.) But, a laminate floor, seems it would be better for a pool table vs. carpet but I have no idea really.
 
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Say, the entire room has a tight knap carpet, kind of an indoor/outdoor carpet that's been there all its years. So, that is what the table legs sink into. I don't have to replace it but I might. I might would put laminate flooring down, me and worker could do that as DIY project. We've done it before. If so, how long (if any) would it need to 'sit' before putting a table in. No issue? When we did laminate flooring a few years back, we put down the foam mat material under the laminate, I assume that is still the procedure. Hmmm... although, laminate flooring might be colder than carpet in this non-insulated room? (It has a fireplace and also a window a/c for the summer.) But, a laminate floor, seems it would be better for a pool table vs. carpet but I have no idea really.
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Laminate flooring would be a more solid choice, making it easier to level the table. The underlayment will still compress some, though nothing like carpet. There really shouldn't be much of a waiting period, assuming that you allow the materials to acclimate to the room, prior to installation, as per general practice. One thing to note, in regards to carpet vs laminate: the room will be much noisier.

Since the room is not insulated, you may see some slight level changes, as the floor shifts through the seasons. Again, not likely to be anything drastic. Most of the changes would likely be seen in the frame of the table itself.
 
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