Only 15 shots

CaptainJR

CaptainJR

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If you read my 'feel' thread, you saw that I'm convinced that "Hal's system works and it works well". I was ask in a few threads, 'why don't I give him a call? It's only a $2.50 call?' First off the only way I can make a long distance call right now is with my cell phone so it would be a lot more that that. But I'd do it if I thought that this could be applied to all shots and especially if it could substantially help me make difficult shots that I can only make 3 out of 4 on a good day. This could change my thinking on a lot of things. You see I don't have a problem making the run of the mill shots. Yes I miss them occasionally, but it is not because I don't know how to make them.


So here is my proposition. I understand that Hal's system is a little complicated, but it is also said that after you learn it you can walk up to a shot and know what to do right away. This is saying to me that it would be difficult to teach someone the system on this forum. So just show me 15 shots. I know this is asking a lot but I'm asking. Very briefly, (even in terms that I may not understand fully) explain how Hal's system would be used on these 15 shot. The only thing that your explanation really needs to show is that they are all different. The shot base is not an easy shot and has next to no margin for error.

Yup there are 15 balls there all over lapping one anther. They couldn't be there all at the same time but just use them one at a time. None of these shots could be shot the same way as another of these shots because of the small margin for error do to the distance of the object ball from the pocket. Again, all that really needs to be shown is that there is a difference.
 

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do you guys even use an aiming system for easy shots? or only shots you you have trouble seeing the aim point on?
 
CaptainJR said:
If you read my 'feel' thread, you saw that I'm convinced that "Hal's system works and it works well". I was ask in a few threads, 'why don't I give him a call? It's only a $2.50 call?' First off the only way I can make a long distance call right now is with my cell phone so it would be a lot more that that.
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Here's how it works...if you're too cheap or too broke to make the call, it ain't my fault.

Otherwise, since you're having so much success with your OWN ways of doing it (3 out of 4) you don't NEED to know. As far as I'm concerned, you're on the NEVER NEEDS TO KNOW or BE TAUGHT list forever.
 
drivermaker said:
Here's how it works...if you're too cheap or too broke to make the call, it ain't my fault.

Otherwise, since you're having so much success with your OWN ways of doing it (3 out of 4) you don't NEED to know. As far as I'm concerned, you're on the NEVER NEEDS TO KNOW or BE TAUGHT list forever.
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That's exactly how I'd have answered if I didn't have an answer.
 
Egg McDogit said:
do you guys even use an aiming system for easy shots? or only shots you you have trouble seeing the aim point on?
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I use feel (or) just knowing the shot from shooting it so many times before, on easy shots. Just need aim point when I screw up my position. :rolleyes:
 
CaptainJR said:
That's exactly how I'd have answered if I didn't have an answer.
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Oh I have the answer and you could too. It's just a phone call away and you've been told and offered the # multiple times. Now pick up the phone you miserly old coot or just be happy with what you're doing.
I'll give you this...at least you know enough to AIM using SOMETHING
 
drivermaker said:
you miserly old coot


I'll give you this...at least you know enough to AIM using SOMETHING
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'Aiming at something' We certainly do agree on that one DM.

As far as the old coot remark? remember that when you see the other post I made today that someone had to take the fall for and your name jumped right out at me. ROFLMAO
 
CaptainJR said:
I use feel (or) just knowing the shot from shooting it so many times before, on easy shots. Just need aim point when I screw up my position. :rolleyes:
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I mean like in the shot above that you diagrammed you can't see the aim point?
 
Egg McDogit said:
I mean like in the shot above that you diagrammed you can't see the aim point?
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Not sure what your getting at. Yes, in any of the 15 shots diagramed above I'm going to be very intent on finding and contacting the exact contact point. If I didn't it would be a just an educated guess which isn't good enough.
 
Egg McDogit said:
do you guys even use an aiming system for easy shots? or only shots you you have trouble seeing the aim point on?
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I would say yes and no. There are some easy shots that I'm so into the habit of aiming by a system, that I just fall into it without realizing it.

The system is more of a focus for me on tougher shots, where I have trouble seeing the aim point or seeing the whole shot. The 15 shots that CaptainJR is one that I definitely use a system. The pocket is out of view, so I get optically challenged. I use one of two systems on this.

And CaptainJR, you've now illustrated this same basic shot a few times now. (Long ~45 degree back cut from the other side of the table, down the throat). I gather that this is one of your problem shots? I think a system is in order. You seem to be begging for a system, given this shot. This is a shot that's a "show me" shot for me, one that I use often to illlustrate the strength of some of these systems.

And yes, I shoot this shot the same way, no matter which of the 15 balls I'm shooting at. And no, the cueball is NOT hitting the object ball the same every time. The system I use, the contact point changes minutely. Because they are relational aiming, the relative ball to edge makes for a slightly different contact point for each of the aims. I know it's a tough concept to grasp, but on a table, it's easily shown. Some would say that the "apparent edges rotate."

Fred
 
CaptainJR said:
Not sure what your getting at. Yes, in any of the 15 shots diagramed above I'm going to be very intent on finding and contacting the exact contact point. If I didn't it would be a just an educated guess which isn't good enough.
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I think as long as you aim for an exact contact point on the ball that's good enough for your brain to learn from
 
CaptainJR said:
If you read my 'feel' thread, you saw that I'm convinced that "Hal's system works and it works well". I was ask in a few threads, 'why don't I give him a call? It's only a $2.50 call?' First off the only way I can make a long distance call right now is with my cell phone so it would be a lot more that that. But I'd do it if I thought that this could be applied to all shots and especially if it could substantially help me make difficult shots that I can only make 3 out of 4 on a good day. This could change my thinking on a lot of things. You see I don't have a problem making the run of the mill shots. Yes I miss them occasionally, but it is not because I don't know how to make them.


So here is my proposition. I understand that Hal's system is a little complicated, but it is also said that after you learn it you can walk up to a shot and know what to do right away. This is saying to me that it would be difficult to teach someone the system on this forum. So just show me 15 shots. I know this is asking a lot but I'm asking. Very briefly, (even in terms that I may not understand fully) explain how Hal's system would be used on these 15 shot. The only thing that your explanation really needs to show is that they are all different. The shot base is not an easy shot and has next to no margin for error.

Yup there are 15 balls there all over lapping one anther. They couldn't be there all at the same time but just use them one at a time. None of these shots could be shot the same way as another of these shots because of the small margin for error do to the distance of the object ball from the pocket. Again, all that really needs to be shown is that there is a difference.
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This really falls into the "rifle and the water tower" story... You need to call Hal and have him tell you the story........then you will understand.

This is a perfect example of going through the "conversion process" that I have explained in a previous thread.

Even though your are aiming with either a center to edge or 1/4 to edge (I am not sure by the wie table in this particular shot, and it looks like it may change from ball 1 to ball 15) you will see that the actual "contact points" between the two balls change ever so slightly....(even though your aim did not seem to change)...

And yes your aim changes ever so slightly for each shot even though you still "seem" to be aiming the exact same......you will understand much better after you hear the "rifle and the water tower" story....

I guess it may be considered an illusionary system....but it works...

As one very good player told me, there is a element of "trust" in this system that in his case could not get comfortable with "under pressure"...

I had nothing to lose in my case as I did not have "trust" in what I was already doning....Now that I know this system, I have a way to gain trust that I am aligned correctly for a shot, and from there its just a matter of execution.

Yes, I absolutly had to and still do use the "conversion method" to gain trust in the system, and to also make sure I pick the correct aim of the 3.
 
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