phillippi or black?

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johnrp2005

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hi all,


I would like to get some feedback with anyone who has any good or bad
experience with these 2 cuemakers. im currently looking at 2 cues and was wondering which maker builds a more solid feeling and playability is very important to me thanks for any info the good bad or ugly honesty is the best!

and yes i did post a similiar post but the wrong place in the wanted/sale section!
 
Did you read my post in the wanted/sale section?

It's not a question of which is best. Rather, which is best for you and your stroke. I can't do &#$( with a Richard Black cue. But with a custom Phillippi, my game took off and so far I've won a couple of small tournaments. Immediately the Phillippi enabled me to run more balls and the stick gave me better cue ball control.
 
whats this @#$ mean?

hi kokopuffs i read your post thanks for the info. i mean the best by the hit and feel. ive got to believe by your advice is that phillippi is the better playing stick on average. we both know they make goddy and fancy cues. but one must be more consistant and play better than the other. i wish alot of others would file suit and give me their opinions and experiences about the 2 so i can form my descision better. unfortunately i cant go hit balls with them when you buy over the net.
 
Where are you located? Phillippi is based in MD:

http://www.phillippicustomcues.com/


I'd go with the Phillippi because both RB's I shot with didn't allow me to do jack. OTOH my stroke fell in love with Phillippi immediately - with all 3 of their cues that I shot. Just tell the son I recommended he and his father.
 
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yeah i have heard from another guy too that he had more better experience with a phillippi and has also had a good experience with a black but also has had bad ones with black as well. it kinda looks like blacks cues look better at the smithsonian institute than in the hands of a real player is that fair to say?
 
All that I can say is to try a stop shot, and both a follow and draw 6 inches each. If it does better at those shots, then get it. Phillippi did it for me. His stick kept me alive in times of protracted unemployment and beyond. It's Phillippi. HIS stick kept me alive above and beyond the blizzard that hit Denver in March of '03.
 
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I would say...neither.

But if you tie me up and hold a sizzling poker to my groin, I might have to croak "Phillipi"...but only if it comes to that.

(I've hit with 3 Blacks and they all hit below average (imho of course) and the man's points are dismally executed, I'm talking broken veneers and gaping glue lines on every point...it's really atrocious work...)

(Oh, and Phillipis hit nice, but please, come up with your own design =))

-Roger
 
You really need to ask this question in the main forum. This is a forum to "Ask The Cuemaker" questions related to cue building, and it would be inappropiate for the cuemakers here to respond to your question.
 
This really is a great question but I agree with Chris. No cuemaker with any class will respond in judgement.
 
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i know this thread is like, a week old or so but this just had to be said in buddha's dwfwnse: as far as black goes, walk away. The feel is awful. The look is mediocre. Bad cue.

Now, as for Phillippi. They play very well. Still, if you click on the link above, you might think that you are looking at a Gina. Well, surprise! The two Ricks have gone after another Gutierrez design yet again!
 
Phillippi

I also like Phillippi's cues. I was in his shop the other day and saw his cues. He is getting ready for VF. Rick and Richard are both busy as hell. I droped a cue off that needed some work. Some of his designs are " inspired " by other's designs, but most are not. I have never seen an exact copy of anybody's cue. I will also guarantee that if you buy a Phillippi cue, it was made by Rick or Richard, or both of them. They do ALL the work themselves. I can't knock Richard Black's work. Never played with one. I do know that one man's trash is another man's treasure. This is so true with cues. JMHO, I hope you enjoy your new cue.
Purdman :cool:
 
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Donald A. Purdy said:
Some of his designs are " inspired " by other's designs, but most are not.
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Those Philippi "ginas" are more than what I would call inspired.

-Roger
 
Michael Webb said:
I can think of many cuemakers that do their own work. You showed great respect for them, it would have looked better without the above phrase.
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Mike, I removed the offending phrase. Admonishment isn't always a bad thing.
Thanks, Purdman
 
buddha162 said:
Those Philippi "ginas" are more than what I would call inspired.

-Roger
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You show me an exact copy and I will agree with you. If you can't then we will have to agree to disagree. I think all cue makers have been inspired by another's work. Exact copy is wrong in my book. If you were a cue maker and someone asked you to make a cue just like one their friend had, would you make it? I guess that would depend on whether you needed the cash or not.
Purdman
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
You show me an exact copy and I will agree with you. If you can't then we will have to agree to disagree.
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Hey, if your rubric for "inspired" cues run from a couple of design incorporations to a full on copy minus let's say, wrap or ringwork, then we are going to have to disagree.

Without judging the ethics of the thing, I honestly think that Philippi COPIED a Gina, a very famous Gina nonetheless. In fact, I think if he had Ernie's inlaying skills he would do an "exact copy" in a heartbeat.

Just my opinion, I know it's sorta a dead horse but I just felt like beating it today.
 
buddha162 said:
Hey, if your rubric for "inspired" cues run from a couple of design in-corporations to a full on copy minus let's say, wrap or ring work, then we are going to have to disagree.

Without judging the ethics of the thing, I honestly think that Philippi COPIED a Gina, a very famous Gina nonetheless. In fact, I think if he had Ernie's inlaying skills he would do an "exact copy" in a heartbeat.

Just my opinion, I know it's sorta a dead horse but I just felt like beating it today.
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Do you really think CNC designs are difficult to duplicate? I don't think so Buddha. Write the program, put in the wood and push the button. That is what Ernie does. I ordered a cue from him and he told me how much it would cost just to write the program. That's what a lot of them do. Have you ever seen some of Phillippi's intricate ring work? Have you ever seen his boars hide wraps? I haven't seen them anywhere else. Beating a dead horses is OK. They don't kick or bite. Honest, pleasant debate is a good thing. Exchanging ideas is also good. Hope the rest of your day goes great.
Purdman :cool:
 
Cue Crazy said:
Chris also to be realistic,(don't take it personally murray), but i would never be caught dead with that cheap of a cue in My hands, the point of My post if you took the time to read it for what it really was, is that i have seen some people play well with cheap unmodified cues, and that for some it is what works for them. I tell them to shoot with what works for them, is that being dishonest in anyway? espeacially if I want to sell them a cue? Go figure.
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No offense taken. I think some misunderstandings have made this whole thread take a wrong turn. I probably should not have even posted pictures of that cue in this thread so I have deleted them and my reply to Chris. Hopefully when I get back on Monday all this has calmed down.
 
Thats What It's All About

I have been following this thread. It has made me sad, made me laugh, and now I am delighted. We are all human, we are all learning. I respect you both and enjoy your post. We are all family and ya delt with it like family. Talk at ya later .
Purdman :cool:
 
Donald A. Purdy said:
Do you really think CNC designs are difficult to duplicate?.....Write the program, put in the wood and push the button. That is what Ernie does. I ordered a cue from him and he told me how much it would cost just to write the program. That's what a lot of them do. Have you ever seen some of Phillippi's intricate ring work? Have you ever seen his boars hide wraps? I haven't seen them anywhere else.
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CNC is not about pushing buttons. You might have a point if you only consider very simple designs, but a LOT of work and a lot of knowledge and skill goes into creating intricate designs. Cnc is just another tool, I have never seen one that lets you put wood in one end and pull a cue out the other.

I have to agree about Phillippi's work though, VERY nice stuff.
 
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