Pool Demographics and active players?

well said

JAM said:
Eydie, I don't know the demographics, but I have done some extensive research relating to the advancement of the sport in general. As of late, I did read that the GAME of pool is played by more Americans than any other game. However, I believe the majority of those "active players" are league members, social shooters, bar bangers, and the like.

When I look at the professional player rosters of the '80s, and '90s, in my opinion there were MORE high-caliber players at the top, i.e., Mike Sigel, Allen Hopkins, Nick Varner, Earl Strickland, Kim Davenport, Jim Rempe, Buddy Hall, than today. There were not as many leagues then as there are today. The leagues have helped to advance the sport, but those in the professional arena are constantly struggling, to include players, promoters, TD's, sponsors, vendors, and the like.

Professional pool venues experience difficulty in making a profit because of the low attendance. Americans bitch and moan about the lack of TV coverage and exposure; yet, they scream bloody murder if they have to pay $25 for admittance to see live play. When I go to see the Orioles at Camden Yards in Baltimore, I ain't getting out of there without dropping 100 bucks, and that depends on the tickets I buy. I did see Cal Ripken, Jr., up front and close break Lou Gehrig's record, $1,500 per ticket. In the last 4 years I have attended professional tournaments, I have YET to see a vendor who was happy with sales at an event.

Then there is the infighting among various entities, professional pool organizations, print media, leagues, rule-making organizations, which sure doesn't help things. When everybody is chewing on the same bone, there is bound to be some competitive atrocities, i.e., changing rules willy nilly to accommodate a select few, vendors refusing to provide service because the league ain't in their inner circle, restricting venues to "member" players (the recent 43-player attendance at the first leg of the $300,000-added Hilton NAOT), just to name a few things. Although the UPA, the men's professional pool organization, is continually attempting to make strides, I think they shoot themselves in the foot on occasion.

Professional pool is a rich man's high, as far as I'm concerned. I was unable to attend every single event available last year and still incurred expenses over $40,000, from January 2004 to December 2004, to get my horse in the pit, and this only includes the continental United States. The entry fees alone were close $10,000, and the remainder is lodging, food, and travel expenses. I cannot imagine what the other pros incur in expenses traveling the globe. If a pool player is not sponsored, does not have a full-time job, it does create a hardship to be all that you can be.

The LEAGUE is where it's at currently (IMO), the average-Joe player, for lack of a better term. They are more in numbers. The American professional pool player numbers are diminishing, much like the dinosaur. Yet, I would venture to guess that the majority of LEAGUE players have full-time employment, hindering their capabilities to attend as many events as there are available throughout the year. Some folks I know save up all year to go to Las Vegas for the playoffs, and that is the extent of their pool travels. They are family folk with responsibilities, which comes first and foremost, and pool is their hobby.

The regional tours like Joss, Planet Pool 9-Ball Tour, Hampton Ridge, Pechauer, Fury, Viking, to name a few that come to mind, provide opportunities to players of ALL CALIBER. Since they occur on weekends, this allows the employed pool players to attend, the biggest bang for the buck I think.

The ring game trend which has become very popular is enjoyed by quite a few folks, but I've gotta tell you, an unsponsored player posting up a $3,000-plus entry fee is a financial hardship for most of the players I know. To attend the DCC, January 14th through 22nd, as an example, for the whole duration creates a very large expense from the get-go. Unless the prospective ring game player is sponsored or independently wealthy, they don't have a few extra dimes available. This is why the ring games at the recent U.S. Open and Big Apple never got off the ground.

Yet, the general pool-playing public enjoys the ring game phenomenon. When a Redskins player loses a game, he walks off the football field with a salary. When an unsponsored pool player gets knocked out of a ring game, he may have just shot his wad and leaves with empty pockets, but still incurs the associated expenses of attending the event.

The Skins Billiards Championship, which will be shown on ESPN today at 4:00 p.m., EST, had a $5,000 entry fee. Five of the 16 players sponsored themselves, and there was $50,000 added, making a total prize purse of $130,000 for the players to shoot at, which was quite attractive.

The topic you bring up, Eydie, is worthy of a dissertation paper. It is unbelievable that there are so many Americans who do play pool, and yet, pool as a sport is at the very bottom of the heap.

When you throw all of the ingredients in the pot, it boils down to POOL in America is a HOBBY, a leisurely pastime for the mass majority. For it to ever elevate to a SPORT status in the USA remains to be seen. Not one mention in any sports media, print or broadcast, about the Team USA winning the Mosconi Cup is very revealing. You and I'd rather be watching a pool game on ESPN than a bunch of idiots stuffing their beaks with hot dogs.

Off my soap box for now, and, of course, JMHO, FWIW! :p

JAM



Hi JAM,
Hear,Hear.
Vagabond
 
What I find interesting is that our billiard pro's are mild to some of the bad boys of sports...

Lets talk about Jayson Williams, sports commentator owns an unsightly estate, shoots an unarmed man in the bedroom of his home and walks out of court basically a free man. What's up with that?

Let's talk about Mike Tyson who literally bit Hollyfields flipping ear off! What's up with that?

Then there is Kobe who didn't understand that he raped a woman and luckily for him, the case was dismissed. What's up with that?

Wasn't there a recent brawl with basket ball players attacking several spectators? What's up with that?

Michael Jordan most likely the most well known best basketball player ever. He is well known in the Chicagoland area as a big dog! Michael gets a huge contract with Fruit of the Loom and he can't even keep his own shorts on!

And speaking of basketball players, Dennis Rodman??

Now with all of what I mentioned above, why is it that this sport with it's minor happens like Earl having a meltdown can't make it to the big leagues? I just don't get it. We are baby food next to the sports world of steroids, infidelity, manslaughter, greed, and just plan players who are bonkers. And these guys get the big bucks to behave badly.

It's time that pool was recognized and given the backing that it deserves.
 
JAM said:
I agree 100 percent. Nike came out with skateboarding shoes. It would seem like the little elves who design these shoes could come up with an ergonomically correct pool shoe! Nike is a big sports sponsor and hasn't shown one interest in pool to date.

Well JAM, I guess we have to look at Nike and their skateboarding shoes. I must admit that I used to be very involved with that sport in my younger years. I guess we could compare skateboarding with Pool briefly. Both sports have been around for awhile and both sports were at one time much underrated and not recognized by Corporate America as a viable sport. But what happened with skateboarding? It became "cool" somehow. I have my theory on this and I will share. (Please beaware that my opinon on this subject is VERY biased. :() Skateboarding was something that the outcasts did...the skinny kids that couldn't play football, baseball, and etc...the ones that were picked on. I would say that skateboarding began to see its popularity on the rise in the early 90's. What happened? For one the music industry changed. The music that the skateboarding kids listened to started becoming more mainstream...the audience grew from a few to several million. Most of the performers of this kind of music were at one time somehow involved in the skateboard scene. These musicians dressed a certain way, behaved a certain way, and appeared a certain way...they were like the skateboarding outcast because they were them. As they became more popular...more mainstream...so did the dress and the sport. Tony Hawk smartened up with all of this change and developed a skateboarding tour that incorporated these bands with skateboarding, the X-Games gained popularity, and the video games gained popularity. Then and only then did Nike cash in. They were not there until they saw a profit. That is what needs to happen with pool. Pool has plenty of Tony Hawks. I would say Allen Hopkins is a prime example. I am convinced that eventually we will get there...it is a matter of time and people's dedication to the sport.

As far a Nike shoes for pool go..it may be a bit hard unless the various pool tours relaxed their dress codes. :eek:
 
Bob,
It's time that pool was recognized and given the backing that it deserves.

If that happens I think it will be thru honesty. I think our sport should be shown warts and all. The impression that the average non player has is that pool players are hustlers or characters of sorts. There is a reason this impression exists, it is somewhat true. Take the Derby City Classic. It is an in-your-face folks this is what it's all about event and it is very successful. If you want to see pool, down and dirty pool put this event on your calendar as a player or a spectator...I think this the direction promotors should take; what the hell nothing else has worked.
 
Brainstorming

This thread is interesting, but a little depressing. Instead of asking "how come it sucks?" and letting our minds answer that question, let's ask "how can we make it better?"...then our thoughts are led down a different path. I know this is something that we've all done with our friends while having this discussion, but let's brainstorm what industries might be able to profit from sponsoring pool tournaments. I'll take the first stab - then please jump in with ideas/suggestions, maybe it will lead somewhere:

Pool players use:
hats, gloves, shoes, cues, chalk, tables, coffee, beer, cigarettes (although nannyist politics cost us camel as a sponsor), cell phones, beepers, cars, bikes, motorcycles,

The image of a pool player is:
rebel, outcast, hustler, streetsmart, nerves of steel, risk taker, totally focused/committed, Freedom

This image appeals to:
young kids in rebel mode, midlife escapism, people trying to fit in, people trying not to fit in...

Imagine these ads/sponsors based on above:
Keith M. and Johnny A. trying to arrange a money match, but there is a traffic accident, then something else happens, through it all, they are communicating via their pda/nextel radio/cell phone, switching locations, changing times etc...nextel done...

Keith M. is travelling somewhere, maybe to a tournament, and some young a**hole starts woofing at him, Keith tries to ignore, but it gets worse, so Keith wants to put him in his place, but Keith doesn't have any money or equipment on him because the airlines lost his luggage...so he pulls out his Visa/Mastercard, gets a cash advance...cause it's everywhere you want to be...or...Cue $2500, Tip Shaper $19.99, comfortable shoes $49.99 shutting this guy up, priceless...

Above ad might work even better with one of the top ladies.

Anyway, you get the picture.

Even though those sponsers are not likely to directly put money in tourneys yet, any sponsorships that the players get raise the visibility and professionalism of our sport.

Cheers,
Regas
 
sixpack said:
This thread is interesting, but a little depressing. Instead of asking "how come it sucks?" and letting our minds answer that question, let's ask "how can we make it better?"...then our thoughts are led down a different path. I know this is something that we've all done with our friends while having this discussion, but let's brainstorm what industries might be able to profit from sponsoring pool tournaments. I'll take the first stab - then please jump in with ideas/suggestions, maybe it will lead somewhere:

Pool players use:
hats, gloves, shoes, cues, chalk, tables, coffee, beer, cigarettes (although nannyist politics cost us camel as a sponsor), cell phones, beepers, cars, bikes, motorcycles,

The image of a pool player is:
rebel, outcast, hustler, streetsmart, nerves of steel, risk taker, totally focused/committed, Freedom

This image appeals to:
young kids in rebel mode, midlife escapism, people trying to fit in, people trying not to fit in...

Imagine these ads/sponsors based on above:
Keith M. and Johnny A. trying to arrange a money match, but there is a traffic accident, then something else happens, through it all, they are communicating via their pda/nextel radio/cell phone, switching locations, changing times etc...nextel done...

Keith M. is travelling somewhere, maybe to a tournament, and some young a**hole starts woofing at him, Keith tries to ignore, but it gets worse, so Keith wants to put him in his place, but Keith doesn't have any money or equipment on him because the airlines lost his luggage...so he pulls out his Visa/Mastercard, gets a cash advance...cause it's everywhere you want to be...or...Cue $2500, Tip Shaper $19.99, comfortable shoes $49.99 shutting this guy up, priceless...

Above ad might work even better with one of the top ladies.

Anyway, you get the picture.

Even though those sponsers are not likely to directly put money in tourneys yet, any sponsorships that the players get raise the visibility and professionalism of our sport.

Cheers,
Regas

Regas ~ Points well taken and it is my hope that we can come to that. It is selling it to the national advertiser that is the problem.

I get all this junk mail from co-op's from the BCA. Corporations like Fedex and others partner with BCA but we get nothing but minor perks in return for using their services. I can't understand WHY we don't see some trade of af the pool players using the services for the companies running ads for the sport.

Grem ~ You have very good points as well. The WPBA is a BIG issue, but they seem to be the most well produced/promoted area of our sport.

I will carry on submitting proposals to outside the industry for sponsorships. I have put to much time and money into this game to stop now. Maybe with a little luck, I will hook the BIG fish. (I do like fishing, especially deap sea fishing) In addition, I did manage to get a good contract with Disney so maybe that's a start.

Eydie
 
Bob Romano said:
Regas ~ Points well taken and it is my hope that we can come to that. It is selling it to the national advertiser that is the problem.

I get all this junk mail from co-op's from the BCA. Corporations like Fedex and others partner with BCA but we get nothing but minor perks in return for using their services. I can't understand WHY we don't see some trade of af the pool players using the services for the companies running ads for the sport.

Grem ~ You have very good points as well. The WPBA is a BIG issue, but they seem to be the most well produced/promoted area of our sport.

I will carry on submitting proposals to outside the industry for sponsorships. I have put to much time and money into this game to stop now. Maybe with a little luck, I will hook the BIG fish. (I do like fishing, especially deap sea fishing) In addition, I did manage to get a good contract with Disney so maybe that's a start.

Eydie

Eydie,

I appreciate all you do for the sport. I think the Disney contract is a HUGE win! I was actually thinking about it while I was writing that post, but couldn't remember who was involved with it. I would love to play in one of your tournaments some time, but I'm stuck on the west coast for a while.

Unfortunately, to most of those big companies, "partnership" is another name for customer. They call you a partner because they give you 5% off or reward points. whatever.

I think that right now, getting national sponsorships for tournaments and tours is more difficult than getting advertisers to use a high profile spokesperson that might capture some demographic. Advertisers used to shy away from pool because of a 'shady image' but now they regularly use thugs and felons to appeal to thugs and convicted felons...so what gives...

I would think that local businesses and liquor distributors would probably benefit more from sponsoring tournaments. Hotels, Real Estate Agents, Restaurants, Maybe you could sell tables the way they sell holes at local golf tournaments. Then instead of calling the table number, you could say "next match on the Budweiser King of Beers Table..." or "Next match on the Hilton Harbor Bay table" and their slogan.

As a real estate agent, I have considered spending some sponsorship money in local pool, golf and bowling leagues when I have a little bit bigger advertising budget.

Cheers,
Regas
 
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