Predator break speed APP...

Flakeandrun

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I'll eat my hat, shoe or whatever else. This APP is actually pretty useful (I am pretty sure I bad-mouthed, or talked it down in another thread, so need to hold my hands up here). Probably more value for money than most Predator stuff... I imagine this could be useful in a number of ways. I used it during my session with a friend yesterday. We played 3 sets of 7 and I won them all (with a bit of luck). Here is the map of all 21 breaks. Naturally, having just downloaded it, I wanted to try and hit them as hard as I could for a little while.

We were playing 8-ball, and I was breaking from the same point, open bridged, hitting the head ball full in the face. I managed to maintain good control, squatting the cueball (which is something I can struggle with when adding extra impetus). I got it up to around 26mph, but this didn't really prove to be anymore successful than the speed I naturally/comfortably break at (20-21mph).

I don't do any theatrics, besides the obvious change to stance and a slight involvement of my shoulder, my technique is relatively tame. I do like to give the shaft a little bend into the slate. there were 3 occasions I didn't make a ball, and 6 occasions I made more than 1 ball. I'd like to ask the boss at my hall to see what he clocks at, because he hits it about as hard as anyone I've seen (not that it's a particularly successful method, just hits it like he's using a sledgehammer).

My friend is a 100+ break snooker player, and he is crazy enough to play pool with a 30+ year old Stamford... Had a bit of fun trying to bully him into breaking with that :ROFLMAO: The more curved points to hand-spliced cues are so much more aesthetically pleasing than machine-spliced, triangular points.

We stayed till 1am, last ones there, which I regret slightly given that I wake up at 5am each day (phone was well into it's 'sleep mode' lol)... But I can't say I didn't have fun! given the data from this half-assed session, I reckon that I am breaking 9-ball, MR format, at around 15mph, and I'll give that a try next time I find someone who wants to play 9ball with me.

In future sessions, when I use the APP, I will try to be a bit more savvy with the type of information I collect, and see if I can incorporate this APP into practice sessions, or to assist me further. Balls went straight into the cleaner after... as one thing I did notice from giving the white a good spanking, is that with increased residue on the ball, I had a couple of nasty kicks during the session (there was one absolute howler I missed as a result).

If I could make one change, it would be the ability to shrink the graph down further to capture all results without scrolling to the middle point. Here is the data and break position, a beautiful Stamford (still beyond me how anyone would hit such heavy balls with this beauty), my balls getting a good wash ;) and a sea of blue felt.


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Yeah, it’s a nice app. 26 is very respectable. I used it the other day to measure a max effort break in Virtual Pool 4: 54mph! (see vid below)

btw were the breaks in your graph all the same effort? The reason I ask is that it’s quite a bit of variance, so thought I would let you know that often you need to adjust the two impact points on the audio wave view to get accurate results (in case you didn’t know).

 
Yeah, it’s a nice app. 26 is very respectable. I used it the other day to measure a max effort break in Virtual Pool 4: 54mph! (see vid below)

btw were the breaks in your graph all the same effort? The reason I ask is that it’s quite a bit of variance, so thought I would let you know that often you need to adjust the two impact points on the audio wave view to get accurate results (in case you didn’t know).

No, they were not all the same effort, I was really trying to give it some clout to test the app. Hitting as hard as I felt comfortable to do so, while maintaining the break form/technique that I have (rack 9 was a slight miscue, where I put a serious amount of top spin into the CB)... I figured it's just a longer version of the way I test shutter speed when maintaining some of my old cameras, so I liked that you can see and adjust the start and finish of the recording (did annoy my friend a little, wasting time fiddling around with it. We were playing for the light fee in each set... I compensated him a beer lol)

When putting that extra bit of spice into it, I was between 23-26mph, and I feel I could go higher, but naturally control seriously feels like it takes a dive. I don't think the extra couple of mph is worth the nose-dive in control (I don't think the trade off between power/control is balanced, seemed to be worth the extra effort)

From rack 11, I went back to my 'comfort zone' - My natural effort that I'd become accustomed to applying in my 8-ball break, which seems to be in the 20-22mph bracket.

Virtual pool looks interesting, is it a free application?
 
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Too much to read but it’s fine for 8 bucks
Woa 26 is a lot!

I seen Django blow up a rack at 28
haha I know some people don't like to read. I don't begrudge spending a 5er on it. Like I said, I talked it down in a previous thread. Hold my hands up. Probably the best value thing coming out of Predator...

I think I could get it up a little higher, but at the peril of anyone playing on the table near me lol
 
Virtual pool looks interesting, is it a free application?
I think it’s around $30. Awesome software, nearly perfect physics. You can easily test what is possible/impossible with position play by adjusting spin and speed. Shooters Pool is great too and has better table and room designs, but they don’t have a Mac version.

Next time you use Break Speed, try adjusting to the audio waveform each time - it frequently guesses wrong.
 
Mid 20s is a very respectable break. I think some of the top speeds reported were mid to high 30s. I was watching a tournament that showed break speeds, they were both in the 19-20 mph range and very consistent. It was 9 ball, and I don't remember the break rules.

I just took a good bit off my 8 ball break. I haven't clocked it in a while but going from maybe 17 to 14-15. I don't feel like I was sacrificing or gaining control but with the harder break balls were routinely hitting a half inch from the pockets and breaking dry. My results now, while not spectacular, are much better. It's definitely a part of my game I need to fix.
 
I think it’s around $30. Awesome software, nearly perfect physics. You can easily test what is possible/impossible with position play by adjusting spin and speed. Shooters Pool is great too and has better table and room designs, but they don’t have a Mac version.

Next time you use Break Speed, try adjusting to the audio waveform each time - it frequently guesses wrong.
I am sure I will put it through its paces in a couple more contexts, but I am definitely satisfied with the app.
Shame there is no MAC version of VP, as it looks pretty fun to have a play with. Can you play games, or simply set up test shots? The lines of travel of some of the balls in your video made me laugh, look out everyone! :ROFLMAO:
 
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There are several YT vids of Mike Dechaine launching the CB 10 ft in the air at 33 mph. There used to be one where he broke the table light, but can’t find it now.
Would love to see that, I heard he has a cannon of a break. I know De Luna hammers them, and I saw a video of Chinakhov clocking low 30mph. It does look pretty bad ass, but I am not sure it adds more 'pros' than 'cons', or alters your chance of performing too greatly (unless scaring the shit out of your opponent can be added as a 'pro' ?).

Mid 20s is a very respectable break. I think some of the top speeds reported were mid to high 30s. I was watching a tournament that showed break speeds, they were both in the 19-20 mph range and very consistent. It was 9 ball, and I don't remember the break rules.

I just took a good bit off my 8 ball break. I haven't clocked it in a while but going from maybe 17 to 14-15. I don't feel like I was sacrificing or gaining control but with the harder break balls were routinely hitting a half inch from the pockets and breaking dry. My results now, while not spectacular, are much better. It's definitely a part of my game I need to fix.
My natural rhythm has come about, like everyone else, through trial and error, and also because I feel that it makes me able to maintain CB control, make a ball and keep balls from the rail. That seemed to be between 20-22mph. I know that my 9ball break is well under this, hence my estimate of around 15mph, and I will have to test it - I only play MR breaking style, as that's what all tournaments are playing where I am.

Like you said, it's kind of a battle between "spectacular looking VS. effective" - These are two quite different things!
 
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I am sure I will put it through its paces in a couple more contexts, but I am definitely satisfied with the app.
Shame there is no MAC version of VP, as it looks pretty fun to have a play with. Can you play games, or simply set up test shots? The lines of travel of some of the balls in your video made me laugh, look out everyone! :ROFLMAO:
There is a Mac version of VP. There’s not one of Shooters Pool.

You can play by yourself, against others, or set up any drills or shots you want (and save setups).
 
I misread, I see that now. Might have to have a play with VP then :)
fyi, if you’re playing on a laptop, you have to use a mouse. Trackpad is unsupported. It’s a quirky UI to say the least, lots of keyboard and mouse shortcuts to learn.
 
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