That aiming system so hard that I'm clueless after I got my 2 lines fix on edges and then pivot to center........well damn I miss. I try again with different line aim......again I miss. So Idk what it is but my stance and stroke are straight as hell as I've been playing for 21 yrs. I am a rank 9 and 7 in pool league. I got my way of aiming kind how shane vanboening aim but his more additional on the shaft but I am alway open to learn new aiming system but I cannot get this aiming down and it been a year trying so I gave up and stick with way I aim. It so hard and been trying but again I gave up.
Pro one/CTE is hard
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This video helped me out to kinda get it down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KwI_62Npos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KwI_62Npos
I hardly post in this forum because the way I see when I aim it's hard to explain. When I'm down on the cueball I see two cueballs. That's why I love Joe Tucker's The Magic Eye.
I learn how to use Hals system along time ago by reading the forums, even talking to Ron Vitello, as his system is exactly the same but you swivel around to center cueball using your hips. It's a slightest movement people can't really tell what your doing. I believe the way i learn the system it was being called Shishkabob or something.
The way i pivot into center cueball which would be the manual way in Stan's DVD is different but works for me. I'll explain what I do and you can try it and see if it works for you
I'm a left hander so I always address the cueball from right to left. Now for a left cut while I get my visuals I have the fixed cueball. Now I start to get down and address the cueball going into center cueball but I'm looking about a quarter off the right edge of the cueball, maybe a little less maybe a little more depending on the cut shot. I shift over to the right quarter of the cueball and swivel my hips to center cueball. It gets me on the line to make the shot. Sound weird maybe but it works for me. If its a cut to the right I do everything the same but when I address the cueball and looking at the objectball I'm looking at the center then when I swivel to center it puts me on the edge of the objectball
But that's how I aim when I use CTE. Now it's just one solid movement to center cueball by doing all my steps except I don't address center then shift it's just one solid movement to center cueball. I use about three different systems, sometimes I even combine them for a double check. I don't make every shot on the table and I'm not a pro just love the game.
I learn how to use Hals system along time ago by reading the forums, even talking to Ron Vitello, as his system is exactly the same but you swivel around to center cueball using your hips. It's a slightest movement people can't really tell what your doing. I believe the way i learn the system it was being called Shishkabob or something.
The way i pivot into center cueball which would be the manual way in Stan's DVD is different but works for me. I'll explain what I do and you can try it and see if it works for you
I'm a left hander so I always address the cueball from right to left. Now for a left cut while I get my visuals I have the fixed cueball. Now I start to get down and address the cueball going into center cueball but I'm looking about a quarter off the right edge of the cueball, maybe a little less maybe a little more depending on the cut shot. I shift over to the right quarter of the cueball and swivel my hips to center cueball. It gets me on the line to make the shot. Sound weird maybe but it works for me. If its a cut to the right I do everything the same but when I address the cueball and looking at the objectball I'm looking at the center then when I swivel to center it puts me on the edge of the objectball
But that's how I aim when I use CTE. Now it's just one solid movement to center cueball by doing all my steps except I don't address center then shift it's just one solid movement to center cueball. I use about three different systems, sometimes I even combine them for a double check. I don't make every shot on the table and I'm not a pro just love the game.
It's not hard, it's impossible. If you're in fact following the instructions with the utmost of fidelity, you're going to miss most shots. CTE users cheat the system by making adjustments based on acquired experience with standard aiming methods (i.e., ghostball based).
Just because high-level players believe something is true, doesn't mean that it is. They're great players, but not so great geometers or logicians.
Jim
I have no idea where you get your information. If you follow the system exactly as described, you end up at the center of the pocket. No cheats, no fidgets, no adjustments. It is a visual system. You line up the visuals for the given shot exactly, then it is the same movement into CCB either left or right. You think one adjusts everything based on prior experience, you will see how false this is when you start applying it to bank shots. You have to trust the system to make this work consistently.
To note, a specific visual + right/left movement does NOT equal a specific shot angle. If you get past this misconception you are on your way. Every shot is a unique visual. If you try to think of it as a strictly geometric system with fractions, it will not make sense.
CTE is not hard, it is just different. You have to let go of how you aim and trust the system as described. Don't steer the shot based on your previous aiming experience/habits. If you miss, you didn't line up the visuals correctly, or your movement to CCB was not precise. Or your stroke just sucks, which no aiming system will help you with.
I can't believe the false information being put out on this thread. I will agree if you're looking for the mythical silver bullet, CTE/Pro One isn't it. If you're thinking this system will have you potting balls like a Professional in a month or two, keep looking and please let everyone know when you find the system that will do that.
I'm an APA level 6 which certainly isn't anywhere remotely close to Pro level skills. I've worked with Pro One about 4 to 5 months. No question, the system has required tons of practice, however, my shot making ability is much better than it was before Pro One. Perhaps I'm wrong but I am convinced Pro One is THE tool that will allow me to take my game to a higher level. No, not Professional but to a much higher level. How high will depend upon my own skills and the amount of practice and play time I'm willing and able to invest.
To be clear, it's not been an easy thing. I have struggled with it and have had great frustration. However, I stuck with it and found the majority of the problems were my stroke, poor PSR and imprecise movements into the shot. Pro One helped me identify these issues much more clearly which has led to improvements in other areas of my game.
To each their own. I see many people post here that simply don't understand the system and make statements that are blatantly false. If you didn't understand it, didn't think its for you or couldn't implement it, saying that seems fine. Questioning and slandering the system when the root cause issue is YOU does not seem right.
I'm an APA level 6 which certainly isn't anywhere remotely close to Pro level skills. I've worked with Pro One about 4 to 5 months. No question, the system has required tons of practice, however, my shot making ability is much better than it was before Pro One. Perhaps I'm wrong but I am convinced Pro One is THE tool that will allow me to take my game to a higher level. No, not Professional but to a much higher level. How high will depend upon my own skills and the amount of practice and play time I'm willing and able to invest.
To be clear, it's not been an easy thing. I have struggled with it and have had great frustration. However, I stuck with it and found the majority of the problems were my stroke, poor PSR and imprecise movements into the shot. Pro One helped me identify these issues much more clearly which has led to improvements in other areas of my game.
To each their own. I see many people post here that simply don't understand the system and make statements that are blatantly false. If you didn't understand it, didn't think its for you or couldn't implement it, saying that seems fine. Questioning and slandering the system when the root cause issue is YOU does not seem right.
I used Pro1 for years and it is a great method to set you up for a center pocket pot and the rest is down to your stroke and fundamentals. I believe you do have to have an understanding of other aiming methods, mostly ghost ball and memory based aiming in order for you to know if the shot "looks right" when you are down on the shot. I'm guessing the shot doesn't look right when you are down, in that case don't take the shot. You have likely messed up during the pro1 process, so just get back up and start over.
I suggest you stick with it and watch the DVD over and over again in its entirety, you will understand it eventually and won't regret persisting with it.
I've stopped using it recently because I've started playing UK pool competatively again and it doesn't work so well with a CB that's smaller than the OB. But it works great for snooker and American Billiards.
Stan, when are you going to devise a method of aim for UK pool! I look forward to the day you do.
I suggest you stick with it and watch the DVD over and over again in its entirety, you will understand it eventually and won't regret persisting with it.
I've stopped using it recently because I've started playing UK pool competatively again and it doesn't work so well with a CB that's smaller than the OB. But it works great for snooker and American Billiards.
Stan, when are you going to devise a method of aim for UK pool! I look forward to the day you do.
Thanks for your post, Pidge!
I appreciate your positive comments about Pro One.
Concerning UK pool, you are correct. The system WILL NOT work with a CB that is markedly smaller than an OB as you describe.
The same would be true if a PRO ONE player were to switch to a 3 x 9 table. The system WILL NOT work on a table that is not 2x1. There are some that think this is all about feeling your way to the shot line. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Stan Shuffett
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It works exceptionally well on perfectly straight shots in UK pool...I don't know why, but it does so it still use Pro1 for that.
One thing I think people over look is the confidence it gives you. Nothing better than knowing, especially on a difficult shot, that the OB is going to fly into the pocket. It allowed me to pay more attention to what I was going to do with the CB which in turn improved my positional play.
Throughout the history of man kind there have been people who refuse to accept and bash on things they don't understand, but whilst they are busy bashing on internet forums the people willing to give it a chance are at the tables running racks.
Pidge.
Pro One is the nuts!
Been using it since November and it gets better each day - it isn't a quick fix and I am still learning.
Gerry
Been using it since November and it gets better each day - it isn't a quick fix and I am still learning.
Gerry
With your Logic nothing is possible!
Must be nearly impossible to ride a bicycle as well!!
Tell that to all your cycling friends!!
They still don't understand what keeps the bicycle upright!
You need to put down your drawing utensils and
pick up a pool cue now and again!!
Here's the math behind riding a bike!
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I'll second that!!
Did you not consider you might be doing something incorrectly rather than say the system doesn't work without making adjustments? Nobody who uses Pro One says they make adjustments. I don't.
If I knew what adjustments to make for every shot, what would I need Pro One for?
I can just look at the cue ball and shoot without looking at the OB and most go in. I do prefer to look at the OB last, however, because that's the way I've always shot.
Your post really sums up why the "haters" think CTE is bogus. They try it for 5 minutes, nothing goes in and then they declare that you then have to make a "secret subconscious adjustment" to make the ball (you know who you are),
A good example is backhand english. Some people just cannot get it to work. I can't. But I know I'm doing something incorrectly. I don't post here saying that BHE is bogus because I can't shoot it consistently. I've shot parallel english all my life so it's not a big deal at the moment.
However, CTE and BHE work well together so I'd like to get it happening. It's going to take time and I need to absorb all the available information - the same goes for Pro One.
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Well this is the crux of the issue. You say that every shot is a unique visual. Yet, in every description I've seen of CTE, including Pro 1, the specific positions of the CB, OB and pocket serve only to determine which of the secondary alignments and right or left sweeps to choose. Once this decision is made, you could place the pocket in your car, travel five miles down the road, and then lock it in a safe. The same with the cushions or anything else that might provide visual clues as to the direction of the pocket. At this point, CTE declares them irrelevant by providing no additional specific instructions to select one cut angle from the range of cut angles lying within the scope of the alignment/sweep combination chosen. It is just you and the cueball and the object ball and the visual references connecting them, all else be damned.
Consider an imaginary line connecting the center of the CB and the center of the OB (line-of-centers). And let's say the centers are 18" apart, just to fix it. In order to generate some specific cut angle then, you have to propel the cueball down a line (aim-line) which is at some specific angle with respect to that line-of-centers. Each unique cut angle requires a different direction relative to that line-of-centers. But the visuals described by CTE Pro 1 take no account of them. For a given CB-OB separation (18" here), the edge to point A reference, for example, is always the same. That is, it will always be at the same angle relative to the line-of-centers for our given CB-OB separation of 18". This applies equally to the CTE reference line. You cannot extract information (clues) as to where to point the cue from the same reference lines for different cut angles. Therefore, the edge to A and CTE references can only be used to generate one unique cut angle. One and only one.
We're assuming, of course, that you're being perfectly consistent with how you use those reference lines to position your head/eyes and eventually point the cue. There are three ways to be inconsistent:
- Random variations (we're not machines). Does this require any discussion?
- Explicit instructions. CTE doesn't provide them and explicitly rejects any further information that they may act upon (the pocket and rails are locked away in a safe). As such, sans the instructions, CTE is not systematic.
- Biased deviations. In other words "feel adjustments" or perhaps what Stan calls "visual intelligence." Yet another name for it is "your old aiming method."
Jim
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exactly nope nope nope
