Pro One question

[gazman100]

My question is why do you need to lock in two visuals to aim for center CB,
I know that two lines gives the correct vision and perspective which allows you to sweep to CCB. However I've been lining up the edge of the object ball with either ABC
Then I see a line coming straight from the CCB towards myself from my side of the cue ball facing me then I ROTATE either left or right on that line of the CCB with a sweep and the balls drop.
I know this is not exactly the way it's taught but I've found this much easier.
I would like some feed back as to why this is not the way it should be done.
The video always states I can see two lines 100% of the time throughout.
In the Pro One instruction Stan quotes that as you rotate the lines are going to change which is 100% correct however I've also always found that the edges of the CB also changes when you rotate.
Thanks for reading.
:wink:

 

[nobcitypool]

I think I understand what you're saying and I believe that is not the correct method. It should get you close on most shots but it is not what Stan is teaching and it is not precise (unless I'm misunderstanding). I look for edge to A, B or C first then I look for CTE. Edge to A, B or C and CTE are never purely parallel due to the offset (although Edge to B, CTE is quite close). You find the Edge to A, B or C, move slightly until you find CTE and from those two, you get a perception of CCB. That perception is the tough part to explain. I wish I could explain it better than to say it just kind of clicks in and looks right when you get it.

I can also tell you that at least for me, I may use a combination of moving left to right or right to left and then rotate a bit around the CB to find the perception. Most of the time now, I find it rather quickly. Every now and then, it takes awhile, nothing looks right. Based on what I've seen with others, I expect as time goes on with much more practice, picking up the perception will come quicker, easier and more precise. What's toughest for me is long cut shots (5 diamonds between CB and OB), really close cut shots (less than a diamond between CB and OB) and right cuts on the end rail (My eyes seem to fight over dominance on those cuts).

 

[IamCalvin06]

Stan Chime on this If I'm Wrong

My question is why do you need to lock in two visuals to aim for center CB,
I know that two lines gives the correct vision and perspective which allows you to sweep to CCB. However I've been lining up the edge of the object ball with either ABC
Then I see a line coming straight from the CCB towards myself from my side of the cue ball facing me then I ROTATE either left or right on that line of the CCB with a sweep and the balls drop.
I know this is not exactly the way it's taught but I've found this much easier.
I would like some feed back as to why this is not the way it should be done.
The video always states I can see two lines 100% of the time throughout.
In the Pro One instruction Stan quotes that as you rotate the lines are going to change which is 100% correct however I've also always found that the edges of the CB also changes when you rotate.
Thanks for reading.
:wink:

Man, the elusive chase of CTE PRO ONE!! lol

OK... now i know what you're going thru and i have struggled and still struggle from time to time. Its very important that you follow what Stan says in order to not develop bad habits.

Remember once you find your visuals. Shift your focus to the CB mainly CCB. Now you're ready to perform you sweep,rotation, etc. If you are looking at the CB but still have your focus on the visuals or the OB in general you will NOT be rotating around the CCB but instead you'll be rotating around the OB or your visuals.

Its important to understand this concept. The CTEL, the Aim Point Line, The OB are irrelevant when it comes to the rotation. It's the CCB or Center Line of the CB that are relevant to rotations and sweeps.

I had to remind myself of this today actually as i began to undercut shots. I actually like to think of a Pin or Axis driven down the Center of the CB after i obtain my visuals. That takes my attention away from the OB and the Visuals and the CTEL.

When Stan says the CB is your Target that's what he means. The visuals are just a way to align your body and Center your EYES and HEAD before you move LEFT or RIGHT of the intended TARGET which is CCB.

I know its tough and when you can't get it to work its easy to try and do different things. But Stan's been working at this for years and i'm sure that he's pulled many a hair out doing some of the same things that we have.

I know i have done more than my share of experimenting and going nuts bc i hit a wall and its bc i was trying to develop my own way of doing things. Stan's put an infinite amount of effort to bring us the most GAP FREE aiming system. If you're having trouble just TAKE A BREAK, clear your mind, and remember what Stan keeps reiterating to us ALL THE TIME.

I hope this helps and if I am wrong in any parts of this post please let me know. I would hate to be the one giving bad info regarding PRO ONE. I have had many perils in learning the system but with the help of STAN, Nobcity, Mohrt, and my fav. DAVE SEGAL i have gotten this far.

 

[One Pocket John]

Man, the elusive chase of CTE PRO ONE!! lol

OK... now i know what you're going thru and i have struggled and still struggle from time to time. Its very important that you follow what Stan says in order to not develop bad habits.

Remember once you find your visuals. Shift your focus to the CB mainly CCB. Now you're ready to perform you sweep,rotation, etc. If you are looking at the CB but still have your focus on the visuals or the OB in general you will NOT be rotating around the CCB but instead you'll be rotating around the OB or your visuals.

Its important to understand this concept. The CTEL, the Aim Point Line, The OB are irrelevant when it comes to the rotation. It's the CCB or Center Line of the CB that are relevant to rotations and sweeps.

I had to remind myself of this today actually as i began to undercut shots. I actually like to think of a Pin or Axis driven down the Center of the CB after i obtain my visuals. That takes my attention away from the OB and the Visuals and the CTEL.

When Stan says the CB is your Target that's what he means. The visuals are just a way to align your body and Center your EYES and HEAD before you move LEFT or RIGHT of the intended TARGET which is CCB.

I know its tough and when you can't get it to work its easy to try and do different things. But Stan's been working at this for years and i'm sure that he's pulled many a hair out doing some of the same things that we have.

I know i have done more than my share of experimenting and going nuts bc i hit a wall and its bc i was trying to develop my own way of doing things. Stan's put an infinite amount of effort to bring us the most GAP FREE aiming system. If you're having trouble just TAKE A BREAK, clear your mind, and remember what Stan keeps reiterating to us ALL THE TIME.

I hope this helps and if I am wrong in any parts of this post please let me know. I would hate to be the one giving bad info regarding PRO ONE. I have had many perils in learning the system but with the help of STAN, Nobcity, Mohrt, and my fav. DAVE SEGAL i have gotten this far.

Thanks for the comments.

I have a question.

I understand the 2 lines and the fixed QB.

After rotating and coming down on QB center what are the eyes looking at when looking at the OB. Is the tip of the cue pointed at something specific on the OB?

Thanks :smile:

John

 

[IamCalvin06]

Thanks for the comments.

I have a question.

I understand the 2 lines and the fixed QB.

After rotating and coming down on QB center what are the eyes looking at when looking at the OB. Is the tip of the cue pointed at something specific on the OB?

Thanks :smile:

John

Hmm... How to answer this question? This is my experience... The eyes are looking down the shot line and the cue is also pointing down the shot line. Of course every shot the cue will be pointing at a different area of the OB. A straight in will be pointing at the core of the OB. A cut to left will be pointing at somewhere between the quarter and edge of the right side of OB.

Bottom line is once you pick up the correct visual you will be on the thin or thick side of the shot line. It's there that you will use the proper rotation to make the ball. If your visuals line you up thick you will rotate thin and vice versa.

 

[rhatten]

Hmm... How to answer this question? This is my experience... The eyes are looking down the shot line and the cue is also pointing down the shot line. Of course every shot the cue will be pointing at a different area of the OB. A straight in will be pointing at the core of the OB. A cut to left will be pointing at somewhere between the quarter and edge of the right side of OB.

Bottom line is once you pick up the correct visual you will be on the thin or thick side of the shot line. It's there that you will use the proper rotation to make the ball. If your visuals line you up thick you will rotate thin and vice versa.

Hey...there u go, that's pretty good. Pretty simple to understand.

R

 

[gazman100]

Hi All,
A big thankyou for everyone who responded.
Having viewed Pro One DVD 1 many times I still wondered what the guys were looking at while pivoting visual lines or object ball
This my understanding of Pro One and how I've been working it for a while now.
1.:Lock in two visual lines either A B C and Centre to edge line as this locks you in.
2: look at centre cue ball from this prospective.
3:While looking at centre cue ball pivot left or right this should take you to your shot line.
Just to summarise your looking at centre cue ball and not visual lines while pivoting.

Happy new year.
Gazman100

 

[Neil]

Hi All,
A big thankyou for everyone who responded.
Having viewed Pro One DVD 1 many times I still wondered what the guys were looking at while pivoting visual lines or object ball
This my understanding of Pro One and how I've been working it for a while now.
1.:Lock in two visual lines either A B C and Centre to edge line as this locks you in.
2: look at centre cue ball from this prospective.
3:While looking at centre cue ball pivot left or right this should take you to your shot line.
Just to summarise your looking at centre cue ball and not visual lines while pivoting.

Happy new year.
Gazman100

Not really. As I just posted in another thread :
Once you have your A, B, or C line and center to edge line, or whatever you needed for the shot, without moving your head, you should be able to see that if you shot right down that line, you would either hit the ball to thick or to thin. That deduction determines what you need to do next. Now, once you have decided that, you forget the ob and just look at the cb.

Now, looking at the cb you can see the vertical center line of it. If you had determined that you would have hit the ob too thick, then you need an inside sweep. That means that you start from the inside and then sweep outward. You do this this way- you have your eyes on ccb, now, all you have to do is shift your eyes to the inside of the cb one half tip. You focus on that spot on the cb.

While getting down, you are placing your bridge hand on the line you determined to be 1/2 tip to the inside of ccb, and at the same time, you are sweeping your eyes to ccb and pivoting or sweeping your body around your bridge hand to align you to ccb. Now you are down, and dead on the shot line.

 

[mohrt]

My question is why do you need to lock in two visuals to aim for center CB,
I know that two lines gives the correct vision and perspective which allows you to sweep to CCB. However I've been lining up the edge of the object ball with either ABC
Then I see a line coming straight from the CCB towards myself from my side of the cue ball facing me then I ROTATE either left or right on that line of the CCB with a sweep and the balls drop.
I know this is not exactly the way it's taught but I've found this much easier.
I would like some feed back as to why this is not the way it should be done.
The video always states I can see two lines 100% of the time throughout.
In the Pro One instruction Stan quotes that as you rotate the lines are going to change which is 100% correct however I've also always found that the edges of the CB also changes when you rotate.
Thanks for reading.
:wink:

You never line up directly behind the A/B/C aim line, you are always at an offset to it. The CTEL is your guide to find that exact offset. Without CTEL you may still have success but it is not as objective. For the 60 degree shots where no CTEL is involved, it *is* there but not on the edge of the OB any more, and with practice you learn to line up on them consistently as well.

 

[One Pocket John]

Hmm... How to answer this question? This is my experience... The eyes are looking down the shot line and the cue is also pointing down the shot line. Of course every shot the cue will be pointing at a different area of the OB. A straight in will be pointing at the core of the OB. A cut to left will be pointing at somewhere between the quarter and edge of the right side of OB.

Bottom line is once you pick up the correct visual you will be on the thin or thick side of the shot line. It's there that you will use the proper rotation to make the ball. If your visuals line you up thick you will rotate thin and vice versa.

Thanks for posting this, I really appreciate it.

Just ordered DVD 2. I have seen Stan's 37 YouTube videos at least 3 or 4 times. I gotta get the DVD.

Happy New Year. :smile:

John

 

[JE54]

Subscribing to the thread, as I want to be able to find Neil's response to gaz.