Qualifier or Paid Entry
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TheOne said:Now wouldnt that have been a wonderful idea, I hope it is the case but I suspect its more qualifiers
Maybe, but in reality I don't think it would work well, we are not talking about 40k tournament here, how many people do you think would show up? It would be a logistical nightmare, you would have over 400 players, it's hard enough now, takes 9 days. Yeah I know just limit the field to the first 50 who sign up. Well that too would be wrong since you wouldn't have the best players playing.
This is the reason the PGA has qualifiers for opens and requirement of a 1.6 handicap to even enter a qualifier, I guess you would say thats not open, but the only thing open means is it's open to players outside the tour, not anyone with a bag of clubs.
Not to say I don't see your point, I guess a lot of golfers with a 2 handicap are not happy, but such is life. could you imagine if the PGA Open accepted the first 100 players to sign up for $100? I know I would stand in line 20 days ahead of time to be in line with my $100
forget the mail. Just wouldn't promote a great open, in fact nobody who entered would even make the cut.You have to give those who best deserve the chance at making a mark, I like the requirements even it does mean I can't play in the PGA US Open.
And the $2,000 was a smart idea as well, lets say it was 500, you couldn't hold the event in these places, they couldn't handle 300 players, it would take over 7 days and too many players that have no shot at all would have entered. hence a waste of their time and their money.
Qualifiers serve a purpose, sure I think the idea will be tweaked and made even better, maybe even more widespread if the IPT is successful, but for now, it was the right choice in my mind, and works well in my opinion.
SlimShafty said:Maybe, but in reality I don't think it would work well, we are not talking about 40k tournament here, how many people do you think would show up? It would be a logistical nightmare, you would have over 400 players, it's hard enough now, takes 9 days. Yeah I know just limit the field to the first 50 who sign up. Well that too would be wrong since you wouldn't have the best players playing.
This is the reason the PGA has qualifiers for opens and requirement of a 1.6 handicap to even enter a qualifier, I guess you would say thats not open, but the only thing open means is it's open to players outside the tour, not anyone with a bag of clubs.
Not to say I don't see your point, I guess a lot of golfers with a 2 handicap are not happy, but such is life. could you imagine if the PGA Open accepted the first 100 players to sign up for $100? I know I would stand in line 20 days ahead of time to be in line with my $100
You have to give those who best deserve the chance at making a mark, I like the requirements even it does mean I can't play in the PGA US Open.
And the $2,000 was a smart idea as well, lets say it was 500, you couldn't hold the event in these places, they couldn't handle 300 players, it would take over 7 days and too many players that have no shot at all would have entered. hence a waste of their time and their money.
Qualifiers serve a purpose, sure I think the idea will be tweaked and made even better, maybe even more widespread if the IPT is successful, but for now, it was the right choice in my mind, and works well in my opinion.
Hey slim I agree to a certain extent to much of what you say however:
The Tokyo event was a good comparison to the IPT and they where truly open and pulled it off so this disproves the theory that you can't run an open for this kind of prize money.
Also if the 150 players that wherechosen where chosen on merit I would agree with you more that simply allowing the first 50 players to sign up wouldnt make a very credible tour.
Finally if you look at the Euro Tour MANY of the stops are played in pool clubs such as HOB weert and they get through a field of 256 players, race to 9 double elim to last 32 in 3 days. If for example there was 32 spots available they wouldnt even need the last day! So again proven its not that difficult as you suggest.
Craig <-- still waiting for a reason why the qualifiers can't be improved
TheOne said:Hey slim I agree to a certain extent to much of what you say however:
The Tokyo event was a good comparison to the IPT and they where truly open and pulled it off so this disproves the theory that you can't run an open for this kind of prize money.
Also if the 150 players that wherechosen where chosen on merit I would agree with you more that simply allowing the first 50 players to sign up wouldnt make a very credible tour.
Finally if you look at the Euro Tour MANY of the stops are played in pool clubs such as HOB weert and they get through a field of 256 players, race to 9 double elim to last 32 in 3 days. If for example there was 32 spots available they wouldnt even need the last day! So again proven its not that difficult as you suggest.
Craig <-- still waiting for a reason why the qualifiers can't be improved
There is no reason why it can't be better, but your not going to have an entirly open event where you can just simply pay and play, I don't think thats good for the sport in many ways, sure it's good for the guy who just wants to try his luck, but not for the sport. First come first serve $1000 entry wouldn't be fair to the best players since way too many players that shouldn't be playing would steal spots from the better players, It would hurt the tournament structure.
So I don't think you can make judgment based on past tournaments, they don't draw this kind of interest and are not filmed by a professional pproduction crew and are much less elaborate. The IPT has change the tournament scene, and if it hasn't yet, it soon will draw in many more players then say the Tokyo event. More and more players will be involved, some that would take the place of better qualified players (I know about the initial selection and thats dead and buried, next year will be a whole new field)
As for the Euro tour, I don't follow it as much as I should have (Since the IPT I am finding more interest in pool across the pond
) I do have to say if they can pull that off, thats got to be a real grind, and like I said I feel you may have a field of 400 and it's already a grind with 150 players, I wouldn't want players to be anymore rushed or have a harder schedule.I think the only solution would be to have a ranking system or handicap like golf, problem is nobody has come up with a good system although I know one could be done. Then you could hold tournaments all over the world every weekend, including all types of players, more players would be involved, and thus more interest would be created, players would be fighting to have the best handicap, eliminating some of the sandbaggers from local tournaments.
This way you have a requirement of say only scratch pool players (bad term for pool
just using the golf term) could enter an Open then hold larger national open qualifiers at less entry fee's and also offer a purse structure.Not to far from the smaller golf tours that feed the PGA. The idea would involve many more players and generate more money and interest in the IPT. Limiting it to only those with $2,000 is a great start, but I see the potential to have IPT local level tournaments in IPT sanctioned pool halls all year long, players would then be playing in their own region for a spot to play in a large national event, and the ability to play in the tour card qualifier.
What it will never be is your local great player having the chance to just enter an open without qualifying against better players first, thats not going to happen in the IPT, like it doesn't happen in the PGA. So maybe players you think should have a shot at an open will never get that chance unless they raise their game, and thats where local level IPT events could shine, and generate huge $$ on an IPT membership fee of even say $25, I think at some point a half a million players would sign up around the world to be able to get into local IPT events and have a handicap.
So I do agree a better system can and probably will happen at some point, but this a great start.