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paulhope

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Howdy all had a question on a rule. Its not really clearly spelled out thought maybe some of of you could help. (we play by the ipt rules)
shooter 1 breaks, break is legal and a ball is made.
shooter 1 gets his second shot and makes a solid but scratches on the same shot.
Shooter 2 gets ball in hand and the solid made stays in the pocket..
But does shooter one have possession over the solid group or is the table still open? I said the table is still open, due to the shot for possession was not legal because a fault ( the scratch in this case ) was commited. Is that right??
thanks for taking the time to read and hopfully answer my question ( and i hope its not a dumb question lol )
edit: would the outcome be any different using the BCA rules.
 
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paulhope said:
Howdy all had a question on a rule. Its not really clearly spelled out thought maybe some of of you could help. (we play by the ipt rules)
shooter 1 breaks, break is legal and a ball is made.
shooter 1 gets his second shot and makes a solid but scratches on the same shot.
Shooter 2 gets ball in hand and the solid made stays in the pocket..
But does shooter one have possession over the solid group or is the table still open? I said the table is still open, due to the shot for possession was not legal because a fault ( the scratch in this case ) was commited. Is that right??
thanks for taking the time to read and hopfully answer my question ( and i hope its not a dumb question lol )
edit: would the outcome be any different using the BCA rules.
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I don't know the details of the IPT rules, but I would be very surprised if the table was not open. I agree with you.

mike page
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paulhope said:
Howdy all had a question on a rule. Its not really clearly spelled out thought maybe some of of you could help. (we play by the ipt rules)
shooter 1 breaks, break is legal and a ball is made.
shooter 1 gets his second shot and makes a solid but scratches on the same shot.
Shooter 2 gets ball in hand and the solid made stays in the pocket..
But does shooter one have possession over the solid group or is the table still open? I said the table is still open, due to the shot for possession was not legal because a fault ( the scratch in this case ) was commited. Is that right??
thanks for taking the time to read and hopfully answer my question ( and i hope its not a dumb question lol )
edit: would the outcome be any different using the BCA rules.
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Under BCA rules, the table would still be open as the initial called ball was pocketed while a foul occured. I presume the same rule would apply to the IPT too.
 
Table is open ...

although your termnology for describing it had me in a loop ... lol

The scratch 'nullifies' the shot.
 
With the IPT rules, the table is always open after the break, regardless of what balls were made on the break.

Barbara

paulhope said:
Howdy all had a question on a rule. Its not really clearly spelled out thought maybe some of of you could help. (we play by the ipt rules)
shooter 1 breaks, break is legal and a ball is made.
shooter 1 gets his second shot and makes a solid but scratches on the same shot.
Shooter 2 gets ball in hand and the solid made stays in the pocket..
But does shooter one have possession over the solid group or is the table still open? I said the table is still open, due to the shot for possession was not legal because a fault ( the scratch in this case ) was commited. Is that right??
thanks for taking the time to read and hopfully answer my question ( and i hope its not a dumb question lol )
edit: would the outcome be any different using the BCA rules.
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i appriciate the replies.
sorry if it was not very clear. im not the best with words :]
I just started playing pool really about 3 months ago. I play at a local bar about once a week. they actully have nice tables (8 foot i think) not the coin operated crap. but yea, everyone here seems to be experienced players and i am looking forward to soaking up wisdom from you all :]
 
From www.wpa-pool.com
8 ball rules

4.10 CHOICE OF GROUP
The choice of stripes or solids is not determined on the break even if balls are made from only one or both groups, because the table is always open immediately after the break shot. The choice of group is determined only when a player legally pockets a called object ball after the break shot.

The IPT rules do not mention 'choice of group' determination conditions. But it is understood that the general rules of play for 8 ball are followed. With the IPT exceptions noted.
 
Tom In Cincy said:
The IPT rules do not mention 'choice of group' determination conditions. But it is understood that the general rules of play for 8 ball are followed. With the IPT exceptions noted.
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And one of the IPT exceptions being that there is a 3 foul rule in effect. And!, you can play safeties like in BCA.

Barbara
 
Barbara said:
And one of the IPT exceptions being that there is a 3 foul rule in effect. And!, you can play safeties like in BCA.

Barbara
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Well, that's pretty silly. I mean, at least in 9-ball, there's something of a challenge. In 8-ball, you could accomplish the feat rather easily in some situations.
 
paulhope said:
Howdy all had a question on a rule. Its not really clearly spelled out thought maybe some of of you could help. (we play by the ipt rules)
shooter 1 breaks, break is legal and a ball is made.
shooter 1 gets his second shot and makes a solid but scratches on the same shot.
Shooter 2 gets ball in hand and the solid made stays in the pocket..
But does shooter one have possession over the solid group or is the table still open? I said the table is still open, due to the shot for possession was not legal because a fault ( the scratch in this case ) was commited. Is that right??
thanks for taking the time to read and hopfully answer my question ( and i hope its not a dumb question lol )
edit: would the outcome be any different using the BCA rules.
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The rules used by the IPT can be found at http://www.internationalpooltour.com/ipt_content/ipt_rules/default.asp.

The table remained open after the scratch. Shooter 2 has solids.

The World Standardized Rules or BCA rules are not used in any way by the IPT. Players and spectators should be careful not to fall back on them, or any other rules, when questions arise.

In this case, the outcome is the same for BCA or World Standardized Rules.
 
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