Questions about CTE Pro One

[enzo1990]

I have watched Stan's DVD 2 but still don't understand how to approach the shot. Suppose I'm cutting the object ball to the left, I can see center to edge line and edge to A line, then what? Where am I supposed to point my cue at?
I also don't understand how the same approach could work for different angled shots. Like the same 15 degree perception and pivot for straight-ins and thick cutshots. I think there's some fine adjustments in pivoting but Stan doesn't say it in the video, very confusing. And how do you determine if it's a right pivot/sweep or left pivot/sweep?
Someone help me out please! I'm so frustrated.

 

[nobcitypool]

Okay, you see the CTE and ETA lines. You now have a perception of the line of the CB to the OB. It isn't either of those lines, it is the perception or line you see when you have aligned yourself correctly to see both. You sweep either right or left, as Stan demonstrates many times in his DVD, dependent upon whether the cut needs to thinned or thickened. In most cases, that is obvious. For others, it takes practice/table time and with that, experience will make that "others" category smaller and smaller.

There are no "fine adjustments". People that don't understand the system keep trying to say there is and there simply isn't. When you obtain the correct visual perception and sweep correctly into the shot line with a properly aligned cue, then deliver a straight stroke, the OB goes into center pocket. Time after time after time.

Learning CTE/Pro One isn't easy. Depending upon your skill level, you may find that you need to step back and develop a better stroke and basic fundamentals. I did. Not only that, I had to develop a solid PSR, along with improving all my basic fundamentals. To me, that has been the biggest benefit of CTE/Pro One, it forced me to see my weaknesses and then invest time in building a solid foundation for my game. Just think about it. What good does it do you to find the perfect aim line if you can't deliver the CB straight down that aim line? I think it is difficult to impossible to consistently find the proper perception if you don't understand alignment. And one will find it difficult to properly sweep into the proper aim line unless their alignment, stance and foot work aren't working properly.

If you're looking for one of the CTE/Pro One advocates to tell you the system is easy, it is the Silver Bullet or something like that, it's not likely to happen. If you're absolutely serious and committed to improving your pool game, I 100% believe there isn't any other system that comes remotely close to what CTE/Pro One can do to help you achieve that. But it takes a lot of study, work and patience.

I got serious about CTE/Pro One about a year ago. I remember asking a lot of these same questions. I remember people saying what I said to you. I remember people saying "you need to watch the DVD 10 times, 15 times, 20 times, etc,, that everything you need to know is in there." Honestly, I thought a lot of it was BS. I got very frustrated with Stan a few times. But thankfully, I stuck with it. And guess what? They were 100% correct. I have damn near wore out those two DVD's and believe or not, every time I watch them, I pick up some little tidbit that helps. It has improved my overall game immensely and more importantly, my enjoyment of the game. I think you'll find that the people who really understand CTE/Pro One also understand that it is far more than an aiming system, it is a complete pool playing system.

Read through the threads in this section. PM mohrt, Neil, Gerry Williams and Stan with questions. Watch all the You Tube videos Stan has out there. And most importantly, watch the DVD and go to the table. It is extremely difficult for some at first. It is so different from any other "aiming system" out there it is difficult to grasp. However, I think if you put the effort in and have some patience, you'll be surprised at how quickly you will start to understand the concepts and see things begin to work for you.

If you are passionate about pool, do yourself a favor and go see Stevie Moore in SC or Stan in Kentucky for a private lesson. I'd also highly recommend you purchase Mark Wilson's book, his text book descriptions for building the basic fundamentals are the best out there by a significant margin.

Good luck!

 

[gazman100]

I have watched Stan's DVD 2 but still don't understand how to approach the shot. Suppose I'm cutting the object ball to the left, I can see center to edge line and edge to A line, then what? Where am I supposed to point my cue at?

I also don't understand how the same approach could work for different angled shots. Like the same 15 degree perception and pivot for straight-ins and thick cutshots. I think there's some fine adjustments in pivoting but Stan doesn't say it in the video, very confusing.

And how do you determine if it's a right pivot/sweep or left pivot/sweep?
Someone help me out please! I'm so frustrated.

After you lock in your visuals in this case A / Cte you then 1/2 tip pivot left, you then maintain that perception and rotate into centre cue ball

The process is the same for either a 15 - 30 - 45 deg left shot, The only adjustments are A B C on the cue ball.

Go to the table and do both and you'll find that a inside pivot will thin the shot and the outside pivot will thicken the shot

I understand the frustration students go through as it took me well over one year to get comfortable with Pro one, Everything from how you move in, pivot, stance, and getting your stroke laser like.
My advise is start with straight ins, then drill with the reference shots.
Cheers

 

[Gerry Williams]

Excellent advice in this thread from NobCity and Gazman.

Cannot stress how important the reference shots are for developing and understanding of the perceptions. You will find that most shots fall into the 15 and 30 degree perception.

As for the sweep - it becomes obvious with table time. As a general rule, shots that are very close to straight in will have a sweep opposite the cut direction.

Always happy to help - we all learn with this type of back and forth.

I used to ping Stan with shots from all over the table as I figured out visuals and sweeps. He was extremely supportive.

This might help http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ-eQ8oUKdM&feature=youtu.be but you really need to be more patient, nothing good comes without effort. I have been working with CTE/Pro One for a year and a half now.

Cheers,
Gerry

 

[mista335]

I have watched Stan's DVD 2 but still don't understand how to approach the shot. Suppose I'm cutting the object ball to the left, I can see center to edge line and edge to A line, then what? Where am I supposed to point my cue at?

You can't possibly have watched Chapters 8 and 9 of DVD1 of Stan's second DVD.

Right and Left cuts are described step by step using both manual pivoting and visual sweeping.

Chapter 3 illustrates pivots and sweeps step by step as well.

To say you have absolutely no idea what to do after acquiring the visuals means you just didn't watch all the DVDs or simply just don't own a copy.

 

[stan shuffett]

You can't possibly have watched Chapters 8 and 9 of DVD1 of Stan's second DVD.

Right and Left cuts are described step by step using both manual pivoting and visual sweeping.

Chapter 3 illustrates pivots and sweeps step by step as well.

To say you have absolutely no idea what to do after acquiring the visuals means you just didn't watch all the DVDs or simply just don't own a copy.

This individual got his DVD yesterday and soon sent me an email concerning his "desperate frustration"

Of course, I answered his email.

Many, many, many thanks to those that have pitched in with encouragement and explanations. I appreciate it! The CTE journeyman in question is on DAY ONE and I am quite sure he will appreciate your responses as well.

Stan Shuffett

 

[enzo1990]

Okay, you see the CTE and ETA lines. You now have a perception of the line of the CB to the OB. It isn't either of those lines, it is the perception or line you see when you have aligned yourself correctly to see both. You sweep either right or left, as Stan demonstrates many times in his DVD, dependent upon whether the cut needs to thinned or thickened. In most cases, that is obvious. For others, it takes practice/table time and with that, experience will make that "others" category smaller and smaller.

There are no "fine adjustments". People that don't understand the system keep trying to say there is and there simply isn't. When you obtain the correct visual perception and sweep correctly into the shot line with a properly aligned cue, then deliver a straight stroke, the OB goes into center pocket. Time after time after time.

Learning CTE/Pro One isn't easy. Depending upon your skill level, you may find that you need to step back and develop a better stroke and basic fundamentals. I did. Not only that, I had to develop a solid PSR, along with improving all my basic fundamentals. To me, that has been the biggest benefit of CTE/Pro One, it forced me to see my weaknesses and then invest time in building a solid foundation for my game. Just think about it. What good does it do you to find the perfect aim line if you can't deliver the CB straight down that aim line? I think it is difficult to impossible to consistently find the proper perception if you don't understand alignment. And one will find it difficult to properly sweep into the proper aim line unless their alignment, stance and foot work aren't working properly.

If you're looking for one of the CTE/Pro One advocates to tell you the system is easy, it is the Silver Bullet or something like that, it's not likely to happen. If you're absolutely serious and committed to improving your pool game, I 100% believe there isn't any other system that comes remotely close to what CTE/Pro One can do to help you achieve that. But it takes a lot of study, work and patience.

I got serious about CTE/Pro One about a year ago. I remember asking a lot of these same questions. I remember people saying what I said to you. I remember people saying "you need to watch the DVD 10 times, 15 times, 20 times, etc,, that everything you need to know is in there." Honestly, I thought a lot of it was BS. I got very frustrated with Stan a few times. But thankfully, I stuck with it. And guess what? They were 100% correct. I have damn near wore out those two DVD's and believe or not, every time I watch them, I pick up some little tidbit that helps. It has improved my overall game immensely and more importantly, my enjoyment of the game. I think you'll find that the people who really understand CTE/Pro One also understand that it is far more than an aiming system, it is a complete pool playing system.

Read through the threads in this section. PM mohrt, Neil, Gerry Williams and Stan with questions. Watch all the You Tube videos Stan has out there. And most importantly, watch the DVD and go to the table. It is extremely difficult for some at first. It is so different from any other "aiming system" out there it is difficult to grasp. However, I think if you put the effort in and have some patience, you'll be surprised at how quickly you will start to understand the concepts and see things begin to work for you.

If you are passionate about pool, do yourself a favor and go see Stevie Moore in SC or Stan in Kentucky for a private lesson. I'd also highly recommend you purchase Mark Wilson's book, his text book descriptions for building the basic fundamentals are the best out there by a significant margin.

Good luck!

Thank you so much for your explanation and understanding. I'm going to try what you suggest. Mind if I PM you when I have questions?

 

[nobcitypool]

Thank you so much for your explanation and understanding. I'm going to try what you suggest. Mind if I PM you when I have questions?

I will try to help you all I can. I would recommend you also PM the people I mentioned, they can offer you a different perspective and all have shown themselves to be generous with their time and expertise.

 

[UpMySleeves]

Okay, you see the CTE and ETA lines. You now have a perception of the line of the CB to the OB. It isn't either of those lines, it is the perception or line you see when you have aligned yourself correctly to see both. You sweep either right or left, as Stan demonstrates many times in his DVD, dependent upon whether the cut needs to thinned or thickened. In most cases, that is obvious. For others, it takes practice/table time and with that, experience will make that "others" category smaller and smaller.

There are no "fine adjustments". People that don't understand the system keep trying to say there is and there simply isn't. When you obtain the correct visual perception and sweep correctly into the shot line with a properly aligned cue, then deliver a straight stroke, the OB goes into center pocket. Time after time after time.

Learning CTE/Pro One isn't easy. Depending upon your skill level, you may find that you need to step back and develop a better stroke and basic fundamentals. I did. Not only that, I had to develop a solid PSR, along with improving all my basic fundamentals. To me, that has been the biggest benefit of CTE/Pro One, it forced me to see my weaknesses and then invest time in building a solid foundation for my game. Just think about it. What good does it do you to find the perfect aim line if you can't deliver the CB straight down that aim line? I think it is difficult to impossible to consistently find the proper perception if you don't understand alignment. And one will find it difficult to properly sweep into the proper aim line unless their alignment, stance and foot work aren't working properly.

If you're looking for one of the CTE/Pro One advocates to tell you the system is easy, it is the Silver Bullet or something like that, it's not likely to happen. If you're absolutely serious and committed to improving your pool game, I 100% believe there isn't any other system that comes remotely close to what CTE/Pro One can do to help you achieve that. But it takes a lot of study, work and patience.

I got serious about CTE/Pro One about a year ago. I remember asking a lot of these same questions. I remember people saying what I said to you. I remember people saying "you need to watch the DVD 10 times, 15 times, 20 times, etc,, that everything you need to know is in there." Honestly, I thought a lot of it was BS. I got very frustrated with Stan a few times. But thankfully, I stuck with it. And guess what? They were 100% correct. I have damn near wore out those two DVD's and believe or not, every time I watch them, I pick up some little tidbit that helps. It has improved my overall game immensely and more importantly, my enjoyment of the game. I think you'll find that the people who really understand CTE/Pro One also understand that it is far more than an aiming system, it is a complete pool playing system.

Read through the threads in this section. PM mohrt, Neil, Gerry Williams and Stan with questions. Watch all the You Tube videos Stan has out there. And most importantly, watch the DVD and go to the table. It is extremely difficult for some at first. It is so different from any other "aiming system" out there it is difficult to grasp. However, I think if you put the effort in and have some patience, you'll be surprised at how quickly you will start to understand the concepts and see things begin to work for you.

If you are passionate about pool, do yourself a favor and go see Stevie Moore in SC or Stan in Kentucky for a private lesson. I'd also highly recommend you purchase Mark Wilson's book, his text book descriptions for building the basic fundamentals are the best out there by a significant margin.

Good luck!

This did it for me, very convincing! I just pulled the trigger for the DVD. Can't wait to get it and practice!

 

[enzo1990]

 

[enzo1990]

I uploaded my image on google doc, please click the link to see what I'm talking about
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5vPYK478lVyZ3I5S2t2LVEzdms/edit

In this picture, I drew the cte line and eta line as I saw. Suppose it's a 30 dgr left cut to the pocket, from where I stand using cte pro one won't do the job. I mean no matter what cut shot it is, I will always stand here cutting the ob to the same direction which won't pocket the ball.

 

[nobcitypool]

Enzo, put down the pencil and paper and pick up your cue and go to the table. Part of this is trying the different shots and figuring out. You may have a shot there that is an etb instead of eta. If it is a half ball hit, it is probably eta with an inside sweep to thin the cut. It may be an etb with an inside sweep to thin it out even more.

I believe it was mohrt that developed a list of proposition shots on a list. I think that list is included with the DVD. Set those up where you know what visuals and sweeps you're supposed to make. Set up the shots that are on the DVD. Start with known shots to learn the visuals and sweeps then start to expand with your own shots.

Your enjoy going to learn this system in a few days or even weeks. I think you're trying to start at stage 3 or 4 instead of following the DVD and learning stage 1 and 2 . I understand the temptation but it just won't work that way.

 

[enzo1990]

I did follow the instruction step by step. I'm not the only who's having this visual problem. Rubell, Satori, UpMySleeves have the same question. I have read a lot of posts regarding Cte Pro 1. I have seen the DVD 2 and video clips. I still don't get it. I have been trying but I just can't get the right visual. The only one who actually answered this question is Beiber. She at least tried to explain why there is only one position to see both lines correctly. If you have seen DVD 2, you would know that you can do visual perception on any rectangle surface. So the point of must do this on pool table is not true. In order for you guys to understand my question, I even took a picture of what I saw and drew both lines. All the answers I'm getting is spend more time on table. I've been trying and thinking a lot but I couldn't get it to work. Like UpMySleeves said in another post, being able to see the shooter's perspective when making those shots would help a lot. I saw the post by mohrt saying he's getting a video recording glass. I think that's what we need right now. We need to see what you guys are seeing. It's better than just saying go back on table.

 

[Gerry Williams]

Your picture clearly shows CTE and ETA - this is a proper visual for CTE/Pro One. What is the question?
This visual works for a ton of left cuts...I posted this clip recently - all 5 shots were made with the visual you drew and a left sweep or pivot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98fKl1W-7GE&list=UU8rNnGNPTLwihnszKS4Zg2g

Also asked you to upload a quick video so we can see what you are doing. Is this something you could do quickly?

BTW - watching the DVD once or twice and expecting immediate results is not logical - these thing take time and I know this because I have put the time in. A year and a half to be exact - so please stop pressing the panic button.

Gerry

I did follow the instruction step by step. I'm not the only who's having this visual problem. Rubell, Satori, UpMySleeves have the same question. I have read a lot of posts regarding Cte Pro 1. I have seen the DVD 2 and video clips. I still don't get it. I have been trying but I just can't get the right visual. The only one who actually answered this question is Beiber. She at least tried to explain why there is only one position to see both lines correctly. If you have seen DVD 2, you would know that you can do visual perception on any rectangle surface. So the point of must do this on pool table is not true. In order for you guys to understand my question, I even took a picture of what I saw and drew both lines. All the answers I'm getting is spend more time on table. I've been trying and thinking a lot but I couldn't get it to work. Like UpMySleeves said in another post, being able to see the shooter's perspective when making those shots would help a lot. I saw the post by mohrt saying he's getting a video recording glass. I think that's what we need right now. We need to see what you guys are seeing. It's better than just saying go back on table.

 

[UpMySleeves]

I'm not the only who's having this visual problem. Rubell, Satori, UpMySleeves have the same question.

Please don't include me with those guys. I haven't even watched the DVD yet, so there is a reason I haven't openly voiced frustrations with the system. I am waiting to recieve the DVD and after a long time of studying it, I'll have an opinion. I answered your message in PM and gave you my opinion on your question. I specifically stated that even though some things are still unclear to me, I will wait to watch the DVD before criticizing it. I greatly appreciate the help recieved from Gerry, Stan and other users

 

[enzo1990]

Your picture clearly shows CTE and ETA - this is a proper visual for CTE/Pro One. What is the question?
This visual works for a ton of left cuts...I posted this clip recently - all 5 shots were made with the visual you drew and a left sweep or pivot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98fKl1W-7GE&list=UU8rNnGNPTLwihnszKS4Zg2g

Also asked you to upload a quick video so we can see what you are doing. Is this something you could do quickly?

BTW - watching the DVD once or twice and expecting immediate results is not logical - these thing take time and I know this because I have put the time in. A year and a half to be exact - so please stop pressing the panic button.

Gerry

My picture does clearly show CTE and ETA, but from where I'm standing, I'm not going to pocket the ball. Hopefully I will do a video this Wednesday. The reason this aiming system takes so much time to understand might be it's not clearly explained. It's a method and it shouldnt take that long to understand a method. See how many posts here are about cte visuals? I'm not the only one. Although some posts were made before DVD 2, DVD 2 isn't doing a better job answering my question. If I'm the only one who has this question, then I must be stupid. The fact is that are many others who has the very same question, doesn't that say something to you?

 

[enzo1990]

Please don't include me with those guys. I haven't even watched the DVD yet, so there is a reason I haven't openly voiced frustrations with the system. I am waiting to recieve the DVD and after a long time of studying it, I'll have an opinion. I answered your message in PM and gave you my opinion on your question. I specifically stated that even though some things are still unclear to me, I will wait to watch the DVD before criticizing it. I greatly appreciate the help recieved from Gerry, Stan and other users

Sorry, I will leave you out of this.

 

[Gerry Williams]

Nobody called you stupid but I am done answering any questions for you.

Good luck.

My picture does clearly show CTE and ETA, but from where I'm standing, I'm not going to pocket the ball. Hopefully I will do a video this Wednesday. The reason this aiming system takes so much time to understand might be it's not clearly explained. It's a method and it shouldnt take that long to understand a method. See how many posts here are about cte visuals? I'm not the only one. Although some posts were made before DVD 2, DVD 2 isn't doing a better job answering my question. If I'm the only one who has this question, then I must be stupid. The fact is that are many others who has the very same question, doesn't that say something to you?

 

[enzo1990]

Yea, just like others. When you can't answer a question you just quit helping them. It's like when your child ask you why 2 times 4 equals 8, and you don't know why but you know it's true, you just tell them to figure out themselves. This is just an example I'm sure you know the answer to it. But this aiming system is different. There has to be a reason, an explanation to it why it works. If you don't know that's ok just say it. But don't be mad just because I'm asking a question you cannot answer.


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[nobcitypool]

I did follow the instruction step by step. I'm not the only who's having this visual problem. Rubell, Satori, UpMySleeves have the same question. I have read a lot of posts regarding Cte Pro 1. I have seen the DVD 2 and video clips. I still don't get it. I have been trying but I just can't get the right visual. The only one who actually answered this question is Beiber. She at least tried to explain why there is only one position to see both lines correctly. If you have seen DVD 2, you would know that you can do visual perception on any rectangle surface. So the point of must do this on pool table is not true. In order for you guys to understand my question, I even took a picture of what I saw and drew both lines. All the answers I'm getting is spend more time on table. I've been trying and thinking a lot but I couldn't get it to work. Like UpMySleeves said in another post, being able to see the shooter's perspective when making those shots would help a lot. I saw the post by mohrt saying he's getting a video recording glass. I think that's what we need right now. We need to see what you guys are seeing. It's better than just saying go back on table.

I'm seeing that you may be Patrick Johnson coming back as yet another alias. I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt but it seems like everybody that has been a troll against CTE/Pro One has pretty much followed your path.

Before we all absolutely confirm that, let me ask you a couple of questions.

How many times have you watched the DVD, particularly the first 8 or 9 sections? How much time have you actually spent at the table trying the proposition shots and or the shots from the DVD? Have you watched all the YouTube Videos Stan has out there? There's one in particular that may help with obtaining your visuals.

In the event you're sincere, let me suggest this as a way to start. Let say you have a left cut but thick. Stand behind the CB and find the line that goes from CCB to Center OB. Now start shuffling slightly to your left until you see the left edge of the CB aligned with A on the OB. Now glance through CCB to see if you see the right edge of the OB. It should be close. If you don't, move a bit radially around the CB until the outside right edge of the OB comes into focus while also seeing the ETA line as well. This is your fixed CB visual perception. If you look at the back of the CB now and see the line that makes, you sweep off of that line. In this case, your head moves to the right as you go down to the shot which would thicken the cut. If you see the cut needs to be thinner, you would get this same fixed CB perception and then move into the shot with your head moving down to the left.

If you really are sincere and not coming on to make trouble, I can understand why this is a bit confusing. This is a complete and total different way of aiming so it does take a little time to begin to rather automatically see these perceptions. One of Stan's YouTube videos does describe what I attempted to put into words above. If I'm struggling to get a particular visual, I go back to this method. If something doesn't look right, I'll go back and start from this, using that center to center as a reference.

By the way, if the shot is around what you'd probably consider a half ball hit or a bit thinner, now you use ETB as you reference. You repeat above but you go a bit further. Oddly enough, you will pick up a second CTE line except this time, the Edge of the CB will be on line with the Center of the OB.

Take some time to work on this. If you're going to give up and start drawing diagrams after an hour or two on the table, you're wasting your time, you'll never stick it out long enough to become proficient at it. Or, you're a troll.

By the way, I think Bieber is a guy, not a girl.