Questions: Joe Porper Tools

kokopuffs

kokopuffs

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I've always replaced single layer tips. Now I'm ready to try Talisman laminated tips on my stick. Has anyone used either Porper's Mushroom Grazer or Porper's Cut-Rite Shaper/Cutter on laminated tips? How well did they work?

I see at the Seybert's website a kit is offered that includes both of these tools for tip replacement. Why both? Won't only one of those Porper cutters do the job sufficiently?

What about the Little Shaver?

All I want is the proper tool to shave the new tip flush with the ferrule.

TIA
 
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I’ve been playing with Talisman Mediums for the past four years and have never had one mushroom (breaking included). After the initial install you shouldn’t need to shave off material.

Rick
 
Have had problems with some of the cutters wanting to twist the tip off. Have had to experiment with various glues also to find what sticks best on different types of ferrules. Some cheaper cues have a PVC type that is hard to get a good bond on.
 
Tip Shaper

I used that tool five times. Scratched a ring around the ferrule. I threw it away and bought a lathe.
Don Purdy :rolleyes:
 
Taper Shaper

It was called the Joe Porper Taper Shaper. About five inches long, black plastic. Pensil sharpener type blade to cut off mushroom in one end and tip shaper in the other end. I don't see them listed on his site anymore. If I can find it somewhere, I will post picture.
Don P. :cool:
 
I bought the kit from Seyberts you mentioned. The reason they give you two tools to trim with is because the first one is just a razor blade mounted in a large hole with an adjustment screw for the height (idea is to set it where when using it it cant slide on far enough to get into your ferrule). It takes a bit of feel to use it because you can cut deep enough with it to mess up the tip. The reason you have to use it is because the other trimmer they give you will not take a 14 mm tip. You have to "rough" trim it to get it to fit in the second one.

The second one is cone shaped on the inside and automaticly trims to ferrule size. I did a few of my friends sticks and it worked well on theirs but their shaft size was smaller than a 13mm, more like 12. When I did my own shaft (Phillippi 13mm) I had trouble getting the tip small enough to fit inside it and I did like Don and put a small scratch on my ferrule. I ended up doing mine by hand with the first trimmer they tell you to use.

The glue that comes in that kit has been the best tip glue I have ever used.

As far as switching from single layer to the Talismans I can relate my experience. I have used LePro's for over 15 years and a few months ago I put on the WB Medium and the difference has been pretty amazing. When they brag and say they dont mushroom it's no joke. Also, I dont have to do near the amount of tip maintenance that I was doing with the Lepro's. About once a week I gently scuff it and thats it. :D
 
Dimonis:

So what you're saying is that you use the first Porper tool, the MUSHROOM GRAZER for the initial trimming and perform the final trimming by "hand", that is, with an xacto knife?

BTW, regarding LePro tips, other than the initial trimming upon installation, the only time the tip was additionally trimmed, scuffed or reshaped was within the first 8 to 10 hours of its playing life. Otherwise no. Nothing further was done with the tip even if it mushroomed. Other than appearance, mushroomed tip never affected my game.
 
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kokopuffs said:
Dimonis:

So what you're saying is that you use the first Porper tool, the MUSHROOM GRAZER for the initial trimming and perform the final trimming by "hand", that is, with an xacto knife?

BTW, regarding LePro tips, other than the initial trimming upon installation, the only time the tip was additionally trimmed, scuffed or reshaped was within the first 8 to 10 hours of its playing life. Otherwise no. Nothing further was done with the tip even if it mushroomed. Other than appearance, mushroomed tip never affected my game.
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That's exactly what I did, used the mushroom grazer to get it close, an exacto knife to get it closer, then a finishing, very fine sand paper, to finish it off and make it pretty. Honestly after doing a couple of my cues I am pretty certain I could do the same with just an exacto knife and some fine grade sand paper, now if only I could find the receipt for that porper tool.
 
Dimonis:

"...fine grade sandpaper..."

Is that wet or dry sandpaper? Specify, please. And which grit(s)?
 
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kokopuffs said:
Dimonis:

"...very fine sandpaper..."

Is that wet or dry sandpaper? Specify, please. And which grit(s)?
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I use a dry Final finishing paper, it's 3M P320 Very Fine. They have an even finer also at P400 that I might try in the future.
 
Overall from this thread, it sounds to me that tip installation can be accomplished with just a good, sharp xacto knife, some fine sandpaper and a leather burnisher - IFF one works very slowly and methodically. The Porper tools aren't really needed at all.
 
kokopuffs said:
Dimonis:

So what you're saying is that you use the first Porper tool, the MUSHROOM GRAZER for the initial trimming and perform the final trimming by "hand", that is, with an xacto knife?
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I used the mushroom grazer to do all the trimming. If you are careful with it, and take small amounts off at a time and set the height where you dont get into the ferrule you do not need that second tool that is in their kit.
 
I also bought the Porper Tool and have mixed feelings about it....Worked great the first few tips I did....then seem to dull the more I used it....I bought a replacement blade for it, but haven't had to use it since I got it.....The Talisman tips did work fine with it though. Guess we really need to invest in a lathe....
 
...think that I'll stick with the good ol' xacto knife then finish rounding the tip with fine wet or dry sandpaper.
 
I've done many single layer tips with good glue, a sander made to take off the crud on the top of the ferrule, a tip clamp, a sharp knife, and something to burnish the edges with. But once I tried a good layered tip done by a professional on a lathe, I vowed never go to back to my "hack" jobs. If cue aesthetics are important to you, then a nice layered tip on a nicely cleaned and surfaced shaft, done by a professional with a lathe...mmmmmmm...stroke heaven. Ha ha ha.

cheers,
jer9ball
 
I don't mean to put down do-it-yourself tools. After all, some people just have a knack with working on their own tips, but I subscribe to Clint Eastwood's credo, "A man's just gotta know his own limitations" or something pretty close that anyway. I know that there are people who install tips and recondition shafts for a living. My cue is pretty important to me and I want it to be in tip-top (excuse the pun) shape so I have them do it for me. I figure it's well worth the price to be able to be confident that my stick is in good shape.
 
My whole premise for doing it myself is that TOO MANY *(#&^$# IDIOTS HERE IN DENVER HAVE SANDED ALMOST 1 MM FROM MY F*CKING SHAFT AFTER I ORDERED THEM NOT TO TOUCH THE F*CKING SHAFT. I requested that they finish just the tip and ferrule. Yes, I am angry at the service I've gotten in Denver. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
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My whole premise for doing it myself is that TOO MANY *(#&^$# IDIOTS HERE IN DENVER HAVE SANDED ALMOST 1 MM FROM MY F*CKING SHAFT AFTER I ORDERED THEM NOT TO TOUCH THE F*CKING SHAFT. I requested that they finish just the tip and ferrule. Yes, I am angry at the service I've gotten in Denver. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Wow! You have no one in a city the size of Denver that can do a decent job of cue repair? That's amazing!! Sorry to hear that. Damn Kokopuffs, if I was you, I'd move my butt somewhere else. Have you tried going to a big tournament to check out if they have a cue repair person there? I have a guy named Guido who brings his lathe to the big tournaments do some of my cue work. We have others here in Sacramento that do decent cue work too. I don't blame you for being pissed!!
 
Since the Seven Ball tournament that took place in '99 sponsored by Camel, nothing big has come to town. Because of shaft stripping, this town has jaded me and yes, I'm getting ready to leave in May to return to family in the Deep South. F*ck Denver. It's the only city I know that charges extra for lettuce, tomato, pickles and onions when ordering a hamburger. It's only reason for existence is its isolation - 8 hours to the nearest big city.
 
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