rear foot position and the shot line

[bbb]

is there a "best " place??
what i mean is for me the line goes right in front of my heel or the beginning of my instep(arch of my foot)
i recently read where an instructor advocated the toe should be on the shot line and having your foot across the line was not ideal
(he did have his foot more perpendicular to the shot line than i do in my stance
what are your thoughts on rear foot position and the shot line??
thanks for your comments

 

[(((Satori)))]

is there a "best " place??
what i mean is for me the line goes right in front of my heel or the beginning of my instep(arch of my foot)
i recently read where an instructor advocated the toe should be on the shot line and having your foot across the line was not ideal
(he did have his foot more perpendicular to the shot line than i do in my stance
what are your thoughts on rear foot position and the shot line??
thanks for your comments

Everybody is different and there are so many factors that play into the correct placement.

The easiest way to find the perfect stance imo is to shoot jacked up one handed over and over while down in your normal height stance and head placement, making adjustments to your feet positions until it feels comfortable. Then once you have a comfortable stance doing this... notice where your feet are... the angle of each foot... the angle between the feet... the distance apart. The reason for this is because a good one handed stroke lets the stick balance comfortably and if you don't have your stance aligned according to the way your body naturally wants to fall around the stick then a good stroke will be awkward. In other words if your angles are off and you are forcing the stick online then your stroke will feel bad.


Plus... your stance will not only be correctly formed around the shot line when you practice this but it will also be balanced. With no bridge a stance with too much forward weight will feel awkward also and a stance with too much rear weight doesn't feel right anyway.



There is no need to shoot at an object ball at first. Simply line up the cueball into the pocket if you need to. Find the line of the stick that will send the cueball to the pocket and then build your stance around that. If the stick is not aligned right for your body you will feel it when you stroke... open and close your stance accordingly.

Once you have found the right angles you simply add in your bridge hand while maintaining those angles. You will of course have to adjust your distance from the cueball back since you were choked up on the cue while jacked up one handed but the angles remain the same.


I recommend warming up doing this for at least the next three months. You need to shoot thousands of balls like this and once you do the angles will become automatic.

 

[bbb]

thanks for the reply
when you say jacked up do you mean the cue in the air one handed not touching a rail
or
having the cue ball close to the rail and trying to get draw or stop one handed with the cue resting or not on the rail

 

[(((Satori)))]

thanks for the reply
when you say jacked up do you mean the cue in the air one handed not touching a rail
or
having the cue ball close to the rail and trying to get draw or stop one handed with the cue resting or not on the rail

A level cue not touching a rail.

 

[bbb]

thanks ill try that
:thumbup:

 

[(((Satori)))]

Cool

Let me know if you have any questions about it.

 

[randyg]

Let's just say that the "aim line" is more important than the foot position.

randyg

 

[FranCrimi]

is there a "best " place??
what i mean is for me the line goes right in front of my heel or the beginning of my instep(arch of my foot)
i recently read where an instructor advocated the toe should be on the shot line and having your foot across the line was not ideal
(he did have his foot more perpendicular to the shot line than i do in my stance
what are your thoughts on rear foot position and the shot line??
thanks for your comments

Who was the instructor and what did they specifically write? Was it somewhere online where you can post a link?

 

[scottjen26]

IMO, definitely a personal thing, but the stance should form a framework to support the body/arm/eye relationship and not interfere with it. So generally having an extension of the aim line come back through some part of the back foot is pretty good for most people.

I've read that sometimes having it more toward the heel, middle of the foot, or toe can allow you to achieve the best body positioning for right or left eye dominant players, as doing so in conjunction with front foot positioning can help build that support framework to get the arm and eyes in a good position.

Scott

 

[Neil]

Who was the instructor and what did they specifically write? Was it somewhere online where you can post a link?

Mark Wilson covers it in ch. 3 of his book Play Great Pool. Too much to put here, but basically helps keep you from crowding the shot which leads to your elbow having to drop and too short of a followthrough. If you haven't done so already, I suggest you get a copy. It's an outstanding resource.

 

[FranCrimi]

Mark Wilson covers it in ch. 3 of his book Play Great Pool. Too much to put here, but basically helps keep you from crowding the shot which leads to your elbow having to drop and too short of a followthrough. If you haven't done so already, I suggest you get a copy. It's an outstanding resource.

I was asking bbb where he got his information and who the instructor was that he was referencing. Are you saying that's where he got his information?

Before I answer a question, I like to try to understand the context in which the information was given.

 

[Neil]

I was asking bbb where he got his information and who the instructor was that he was referencing. Are you saying that's where he got his information?

Before I answer a question, I like to try to understand the context in which the information was given.

Noooo...I don't know where he got it. I just thought you might be interested in what other instructors had to say about it. So I passed on that info to you.

 

[bbb]

Let's just say that the "aim line" is more important than the foot position.

randyg

could you eplain alittle more?
often advice on many threads on here and critique of videos recommend a person change their alignment which means to me how they stand relative to the shot line

 

[bbb]

IMO, definitely a personal thing, but the stance should form a framework to support the body/arm/eye relationship and not interfere with it. So generally having an extension of the aim line come back through some part of the back foot is pretty good for most people.

I've read that sometimes having it more toward the heel, middle of the foot, or toe can allow you to achieve the best body positioning for right or left eye dominant players, as doing so in conjunction with front foot positioning can help build that support framework to get the arm and eyes in a good position.

Scott

thanks scott

 

[bbb]

I was asking bbb where he got his information and who the instructor was that he was referencing. Are you saying that's where he got his information?

Before I answer a question, I like to try to understand the context in which the information was given.

yes fran i got the information from mark wilsons new book
i had never read that before and mark is very well respected and i wasnt going to mention him
because i didnt think it mattered who said it for an instructor to give an opinion and didnt want to bring his name into the conversation
neil ( thanks for answering) probably understands more of what mark is trying to say than i do.
all that being said
what is your opinion of foot placement?
id like to know regardless of the context of what mark wilson said
thanks

 

[FranCrimi]

yes fran i got the information from mark wilsons new book
i had never read that before and mark is very well respected and i wasnt going to mention him
because i didnt think it mattered who said it for an instructor to give an opinion and didnt want to bring his name into the conversation
neil ( thanks for answering) probably understands more of what mark is trying to say than i do.
all that being said
what is your opinion of foot placement?
id like to know regardless of the context of what mark wilson said
thanks

If you have specific questions as to What Mark means, I'm sure he would be happy to explain it to you if you contacted him. He's a very personable and approachable guy.

For me, determining which part of your foot should be placed on the line of the shot depends on things like how far apart you place your feet and the angle of the position of your feet relative to the line of the shot. Those two factors can change the position of your hip and torso relative to the line fairly significantly.

Things that determine how far apart you should place your feet or the angle of your feet are often dependent on the player's individual physical issues , such as height, weight, dominant eye, etc.

 

[randyg]

could you eplain alittle more?
often advice on many threads on here and critique of videos recommend a person change their alignment which means to me how they stand relative to the shot line

Roughly, every third shot we shoot requires a change into a different stance (foot position). While the base of the body has to move with the situation, the eyes should always be on the "aim line". Jerry Briesath calls this position "Chin Lock". I simply refer to it as my line of sight (aiming).

randyg

 

[bbb]

If you have specific questions as to What Mark means, I'm sure he would be happy to explain it to you if you contacted him. He's a very personable and approachable guy.

For me, determining which part of your foot should be placed on the line of the shot depends on things like how far apart you place your feet and the angle of the position of your feet relative to the line of the shot. Those two factors can change the position of your hip and torso relative to the line fairly significantly.

Things that determine how far apart you should place your feet or the angle of your feet are often dependent on the player's individual physical issues , such as height, weight, dominant eye, etc.

thanks fran for the reply
seems logical that one foot position is not the only way

 

[bbb]

Roughly, every third shot we shoot requires a change into a different stance (foot position). While the base of the body has to move with the situation, the eyes should always be on the "aim line". Jerry Briesath calls this position "Chin Lock". I simply refer to it as my line of sight (aiming).

randyg

thanks randy