Tons'O'fun
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Removing Joss weight bolts completely?
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I feel like Sherm, In general If the weight bolt was deep up in there past the buttsleeve, then in might be alright without one, but would not count on it, and If It looks like It's holding the buttcap or buttsleeve together, then definatly better with a liteweight bolt such as aluminum. Sometimes I'll cut the bolt down some to lighten it up even more. If unsure then put some kind of bolt in there just to be safe, because besides holding the buttcap on, I have seen a few where the bolt actually helps hold the sleeve on also. Again, this is in general, and not specific to the make of cue mentioned. I have a newer model joss, and seems like It looked like the bolt may in fact have something to do with holding the cap together last time I looked at it, but not sure, because looks can be deceiving anyway, and been a while since i looked. I've had to glue a few sleeves back together on other cues because the weight bolt was removed, and not replaced with a lighter one, so better to be safe.
A short aluminum bolt should not have enough weight that It would be easily noticable, and atleast gives some protection. Just be carefull not to strip the threads with the shorter bolt. I had a guy bring a cue with a long 3inch weight bolt the other day that was stripped, so a shorter bolt could strip easily. Greg
A short aluminum bolt should not have enough weight that It would be easily noticable, and atleast gives some protection. Just be carefull not to strip the threads with the shorter bolt. I had a guy bring a cue with a long 3inch weight bolt the other day that was stripped, so a shorter bolt could strip easily. Greg
Cue Crazy said:
The reason I gave my answer to not worrying about the open threads is because the man asked about a Joss cue. All of the Joss cues, in the last 10 years or so, unless a recent change, have used headless set-screws for weight bolts and the rubber bumper has threads that directly screw into the handle. If it is an older Joss, or if they have went back to their older style that uses a 9/16 head bolt, then the bumper would have a small bolt that screws directly into the tapped head of this bolt and the bumper could not be replaced without it. I assumed since the man never asked about a way to replace his bumper if he took out the weight bolt then he has the common bumper with the threads attached.
Dick
rhncue said:
Hey Dick,
Keep in mind most of what I said is how I think in general, and I was not disagreeing with anyone. I have to figure them out as I go, and some cues I have no idea who made them, or how the sleeve was put together, so the better safe then sorry theory is what I go by, but My bad on the joss, must have recalled It different then I remembered, because I just looked, and It does have the allen head bolt, and goes in deep, the rubber is just a plug. On mine the inside of the bore was siliconed to fit the plug
, Anyway, the cap is sleeved from the looks of It, and the bolt is way up in there. I have not had one come in for repair apart there yet, so not sure how they connect their sleeves. I would put some kind of bolt back in by the looks of It anyway, not knowing how the sleeve is connected to the handle for sure. Maybe you can tell me? Is the tenon turned off the handle, and sleeved? is the sleeve tenon end, tenoned and threaded? or does the bolt help hold It to the handle? because the weight bolt is so far in there I don't see any metal threads being up in there, besides the weight bolt.
I don't know for sure, but would guess that It's even sleeved off the handle (which in that case would be alright without a bolt), Even that or the butt sleeve is on a tenon It'self which is attatched to the handle using the combination of a tenon with the help of the bolt to hold it on( in that case I would be worried), so would be a reason for me to be safe just in case.
I have done some work on a few joss models, but have not got that deep in a sleeve on one to find out yet for sure either way. Sounds like you've been deep into a few, I'm all ears If you have an idea of how they are put together there, both pre and post models.
I guess I'm somewhat confused By the original question though. If there is a plug type rubber for it or not. Provided there is a bumper then I don't see the threads needing covered, unless the bolt is actually a structural piece of the sleeve. Believe It or not I have seen them put together that way on other makes, and with the bolt removed, came apart at the handle, I've even seen them like that where the bolt was the only thing holding it together and there was no tenon at all going into the handle. or coming from It.
Personally I prefer to tenon My handles to accept the sleeve when I can, so It's basically all one piece, but have done some repairs where I had to build a sleeve, tenon the part that goes in the handle and thread them together using a lenth of threaded rod. I would prefer to thread the tenon it'self in those situations, but still working on setting up to do that operation.
The olny thing I am saying, is that with me not knowing the bolt is structural, or not for sure, that I would be safe rather then sorry.
Would love to hear Your insite on them, as to better familiarize Myself with their construction in that area. Thanks, Greg