Rhino MUST
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dendweller
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and don't forget the "free release anchorage system and the centesimal precision construction". Apparently that's what they call the weighting system.
hclopez13
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How interesting. Rhino just released a new line of cues called Must. How surprising.
These ones are described as having a carbon fiber butt instead of carbon composite.
I am having a really fun time with their customer service department trying to get a replacement Must shaft in exchange for the wobbly one I received. Hell, David Schmelke had me a return label within minutes if the cue I received from them was flawed in any way. Rhino runs you through the gauntlet and no amount of evidence seems to be enough to accept they sent a shaft that is out of spec.
I am not going to lie, I am biased when it comes to where things are manufactured and I prefer US cuemakers. I like Predator cues, and although I do not like that they are made in China, there is no question that they are top notch. Same with J. Flowers, Cuetec and a few other brands. Just a personal preference. I chose Rhino because they manufacture their products in Vietnam, the price was right and I thought "what the heck. Lets give them a try, not much money involved". But, at this point, I think I will take my business elsewhere for a mid priced carbon fiber shaft backup cue. I really, really like my Rhino Eclipse II cue with their standard shaft and play with it often, but it will be the last I purchase from them.
Have heard nice things about Raven out of CA. Made in China, but they stand behind their products and their prices are attractive. That is worth something to me.
Not so "Fast" Eddie
These ones are described as having a carbon fiber butt instead of carbon composite.
I am having a really fun time with their customer service department trying to get a replacement Must shaft in exchange for the wobbly one I received. Hell, David Schmelke had me a return label within minutes if the cue I received from them was flawed in any way. Rhino runs you through the gauntlet and no amount of evidence seems to be enough to accept they sent a shaft that is out of spec.
I am not going to lie, I am biased when it comes to where things are manufactured and I prefer US cuemakers. I like Predator cues, and although I do not like that they are made in China, there is no question that they are top notch. Same with J. Flowers, Cuetec and a few other brands. Just a personal preference. I chose Rhino because they manufacture their products in Vietnam, the price was right and I thought "what the heck. Lets give them a try, not much money involved". But, at this point, I think I will take my business elsewhere for a mid priced carbon fiber shaft backup cue. I really, really like my Rhino Eclipse II cue with their standard shaft and play with it often, but it will be the last I purchase from them.
Have heard nice things about Raven out of CA. Made in China, but they stand behind their products and their prices are attractive. That is worth something to me.
Not so "Fast" Eddie
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The price of these cues is just stupid considering all the designs are decalsHow interesting. Rhino just released a new line of cues called Must. How surprising.
These ones are described as having a carbon fiber butt instead of carbon composite.
hclopez13
Member
I agree. But considering that the cues are made completely out of composites, except for the joint pins, inlaid points and other decorations would add a substantial premium to the price and would defeat the purpose of supplying cues to folks that can't afford a higher end cue. I am fine with the decals or raw carbon fiber look.
I am willing to pay for veneered points, decorations, etc, but not from Rhino.
Yeah, I'm done with Rhino as well.
If composites are the future (which it is) than decals are part of that future as I don't think you can do point and inlays into carbon fiber.
I thought about getting a full CF cue to throw in the car, but after thinking more clearly about it, I don't really need a cue in my car...
hclopez13
Member
I am done with Rhino not neccesarly because of the decals or performance, my Rhino plays beautifully, but because of issues with customer service. Like I said on a previous post, I have dealt with Schmelke on some custom cues. If there was anything that was not to my satisfaction, David would either send me a label immediately to return the product and correct the issue, or sent me a label and issued a refund on the spot if he could not do what I wanted. In my case with Rhino, I am trying to get them to replace a wobbly Must shaft, and it has proven difficult. It feels I have to convince them that I am telling the truth; they do not seem to believe they actually made a shaft that is out of spec in one way or another. Heck, I am not even asking for a refund, as I do like their products, just a replacement so I can move on. More on that to follow here in the next few days as the wobbly shaft saga unfolds and folks can come to their own conclusions and use my experiences with the company to decide if they want to deal with them or not.
I believe Becue made around 20 cues, supposedly the "first inlaid carbon fiber cues" and they carried a pretty big price premium. Maybe in the future some sort of technology will allow complete carbon fiber cues to be decorated in a more traditional manner, while being a bit more economical.
Pretty cue for sure.
Horizon - Inlaid Carbon Fiber Pool Cue | Becue
Introducing the Limited Edition Horizon cue - a masterpiece that blends tradition and innovation. The world's first inlaid carbon fiber cue.
www.becueofficial.com
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Contact the good folks @Bulletproof Billiards. They are an American based company, I believe. I spoke with them via telephone last week, and could not have been happier with the conversation.How interesting. Rhino just released a new line of cues called Must. How surprising.
These ones are described as having a carbon fiber butt instead of carbon composite.
I am having a really fun time with their customer service department trying to get a replacement Must shaft in exchange for the wobbly one I received. Hell, David Schmelke had me a return label within minutes if the cue I received from them was flawed in any way. Rhino runs you through the gauntlet and no amount of evidence seems to be enough to accept they sent a shaft that is out of spec.
I am not going to lie, I am biased when it comes to where things are manufactured and I prefer US cuemakers. I like Predator cues, and although I do not like that they are made in China, there is no question that they are top notch. Same with J. Flowers, Cuetec and a few other brands. Just a personal preference. I chose Rhino because they manufacture their products in Vietnam, the price was right and I thought "what the heck. Lets give them a try, not much money involved". But, at this point, I think I will take my business elsewhere for a mid priced carbon fiber shaft backup cue. I really, really like my Rhino Eclipse II cue with their standard shaft and play with it often, but it will be the last I purchase from them.
Have heard nice things about Raven out of CA. Made in China, but they stand behind their products and their prices are attractive. That is worth something to me.
Not so "Fast" Eddie
I will be ordering a shaft from them in the very near future.
Here's a way to record deflection off the center short rail, shooting from the headspot. Rub a little bit of chalk onto the nose of the short rail, putting perhaps 5 inches on each side of center.
Mark a 10" piece of Scotch tape with a line across the center (so line is less than 1"). Place the tape over the chalked area sticking to the nose and with your center line aligned to the center of the cushion.
Go ahead and shoot with sidespin aiming at the center of the tape. Each shot will leave a chalk mark where the ball compressed the tape into the nose. Now you don't have to guess or make a video to see how much different shot deflect or how different shafts compare.
Mark a 10" piece of Scotch tape with a line across the center (so line is less than 1"). Place the tape over the chalked area sticking to the nose and with your center line aligned to the center of the cushion.
Go ahead and shoot with sidespin aiming at the center of the tape. Each shot will leave a chalk mark where the ball compressed the tape into the nose. Now you don't have to guess or make a video to see how much different shot deflect or how different shafts compare.
@hclopez13
What was the turn out with rhino customer service ?
If you did finally recieve a replacement, what are your thoughts on its performance ?
Thx.
What was the turn out with rhino customer service ?
If you did finally recieve a replacement, what are your thoughts on its performance ?
Thx.
Having made a new vault plate out of Tomahawk for my Rhino Must, and conferring with a cue maker on here, I'm really not so sure the holes on the Aurore vault plate are strictly for weight reduction. My theory and the thinking of a cue maker are that is probably more to getting a better glue in of the vault plate. You've already hollowed out the inside of the vault to save weight, the weight savings of a couple holes at that point is almost insignificant, but what it really accomplishes is a very minute glue build up on the inside ridge of the holes creating a ledge of sorts to help lock that insert in place. I was not impressed with Rhino's vault plugs, they were not hollowed out, and very short going into the tube, only .3".
vintagecollectibles831
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Hi, have you tried the Triple 60 TS1 shaft, with its fixed joint? They are on sites like Seyberts and Ozone. I keep wondering if it is a good shaft. I read that they use the same CF tube on it as their Whyte Carbon. Thanks.
Paul_#_
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Different-priced animals:
Triple 60 TS1 with fixed joint (?): $400 VERSUS Whyte Carbon: $600
no, haven't tried it or any T60 shafts.
nowadays I rotate between the 314, the Revo 12.9 and the SMO 12.5.
I'm good with the shafts that I own, not looking into anything else.
vintagecollectibles831
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Yeah, I know. That is why I wonder about the TS1. Because I do not have $600 for a shaft, lol. But, on the other hand, I do not want anything that is garbage quality.
Liking the TS1 so far. Solid sound and great feel unlike most CF shafts.
vintagecollectibles831
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That is great. Happy to hear a good review about that shaft.
Get a hybrid for half of that. Play twice as good. You'll thank me.
Of the carbon shafts I have tried, I feel the Rhino Must is probably the best deal out there for $250, plus the shaft is balanced much better than most. Very solid great playing shaft with no pingy sound or feel. I did change the tip though to an Ultraskin Pro black.