Ring cutting question

I agree, KJ, but what he's saying is if the spindle is off, say by .015"TIR,,Dial it in. Even if the blade is square to the material, at rest, no power,...if it still has .015" TIR rotated by hand, how does one 'dial' it in? It is basically rotating off axis thru the full rotation, (which, I believe amounts to about .030" off total? maybe wrong..it's late). How would one compensate for that? In this unit, I have already changed the bearings about a year ago and haven't really used it until now. I also custom made the arbor yesterday for the PC, so I know it's not off there.
I am of the belief now it was too small of blade with too small of teeth for the size billet, and a dremel tool as the power. Using my Porter Cable router today with a larger blade with larger teeth and much more power behind it, and using the same methods to square it up... it worked fine on the end of the billet where most of the epoxy had squeezed to....it did loose some stiches on the first few tries, but didn't have the scorch marks and went solid at the end of the billet.... IDK
The first 2 on the left was made by the dremel yesterday and had the same scorch marks on both sides. The last one was with the porter cable today, big difference. These are .030" thick BTW.
Dave

Mounting the cutter's mandrel is your first step and I guess I should've started with that.
It's dangerous to assume.
Anytime you remove the ring-cutter from the router, it must be indicted again when you reinstall it.
I use a dedicated set-up and my ring-cutter stays in the router.
I check it periodically to confirm that it hasn't moved. The collet can be 'funny'.
Don't assume that your mandrel is running true when/because it's tightened into the collet.
It might not be. The marriage btwn the mandrel and collet sometimes requires finding the 'sweet-spot'.
Loosen the collet-nut, rotate the mandrel, tighten and indicate it again.
That reading should tell you if you're headed in the right direction.
It's there, you just have to find it.

.015" TIR is HUGE.
However, it's the easiest to identify and the easiest to correct.
Mount your ring-cutter in the router and indicate the side of the saw/wing-cutter, whichever you're using.
Rotate the spindle by hand and take your reading. Zero TIR is your goal.
Anything more than that will be reflected in the thickness of the ring you're parting-off.
If you're advancing your compound to cut a .030" thick ring and the parted ring is .026/.027", something is off.
My router is dead and the brgs are shot but I can still get the saw to run true within .0005".
Knowing this, I just advance my compound an additional .001" and my parted ring is to size.

Back to my previous post; run-out and bad entry-angle are killers.
They each can/will generate heat and destroy your work.
Wood tends to be a little forgiving. Sterling silver set into phenolic, not so much.
It can bring you to tears.

HTHs, KJ
 
Thanx for the video link Bob.
While a pic may be worth 1,000 words,
a video with audio is priceless.

KJ
 
I agree, KJ, but what he's saying is if the spindle is off, say by .015"TIR,,Dial it in. Even if the blade is square to the material, at rest, no power,...if it still has .015" TIR rotated by hand, how does one 'dial' it in? It is basically rotating off axis thru the full rotation, (which, I believe amounts to about .030" off total? maybe wrong..it's late). How would one compensate for that? In this unit, I have already changed the bearings about a year ago and haven't really used it until now. I also custom made the arbor yesterday for the PC, so I know it's not off there.
I am of the belief now it was too small of blade with too small of teeth for the size billet, and a dremel tool as the power. Using my Porter Cable router today with a larger blade with larger teeth and much more power behind it, and using the same methods to square it up... it worked fine on the end of the billet where most of the epoxy had squeezed to....it did loose some stiches on the first few tries, but didn't have the scorch marks and went solid at the end of the billet.... IDK
The first 2 on the left was made by the dremel yesterday and had the same scorch marks on both sides. The last one was with the porter cable today, big difference. These are .030" thick BTW.
Dave
What I was sugesting was not reading the runout of the cutter. You mount your dial on the lathe bed then run your dial along the length of the rod. So long as the rod the rod is sticking out at least an inch it will tell you if your setup is true. When using a parting blade it is always good practice to run your dial along the blade while moving your cross slide back and forth to be sure your blade is at right angles to your work. The dial is always your best indicator. If I did not explain myself properly in my first post I apologize. I just watched dz's vid and that is exactly what I was describing although I do not use as long a rod as he used. Thank you Bob for that great vid. Your vids are always a pleasure to watch.
 
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This one's for you dave

I parted this first ring 10 mins. after I finished building the billet.
I indicated the saw, was within .001"TIR and said go for it.
Didn't lose one inlay and the ring is uniform.
My saw is 40mm OD solid carbide & .020" thick with no kerf.
Lathe spindle speed was 840 rpm IN REVERSE.
My 'dead' router speed, who knows, maybe 20-25K.
I asked for a .015" ring, it gave me a .015" ring.
Hope there's something here that you can use.

KJ

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