Room Size for a Pool Table

[TSW]

Building off the prior thread, how big of a room do you really need to fit a 9 foot table comfortably?

Is 15 x 20 sufficient? More?

It seems clear that Diamond, Brunswick, and Olhausen's charts are full of it:

http://www.diamondbilliards.com/index.php/about/pool-room-dimensions

http://www.brunswickbilliards.com/helpful_information/room_size_requirements.html

http://www.olhausenbilliards.com/ROOM+CHART/id/40/

Edit:

Here's a synopsis of the responses:

Absolute minimum: 13'10" x 18", but you won't be able to take a full stroke off a ball frozen to the rail

Full stroke minimum: Approx. 14'10" x 19". This gives you a six inch backswing on a ball frozen to the rail.

Comfortable minimum: Approx 15" x 20" or greater. You won't have to worry about hitting the wall with a standard cue.

If you want to include chairs or any of the comforts of home, increase the dimensions accordingly.

 

[jschelin99]

Quick and easy answer: you need a minimum of 5 feet all the way around the table if you don't want to ever use a shorty cue. So, yeah, 15'x20' is just enough for a 9 foot table. If you want chairs, a table, a bar, etc., then you'll need more room. Probably at least 5 extra feet on one side. So, now you're talking 15'x25' or 20'x20'.

 

[bbb]

Quick and easy answer: you need a minimum of 5 feet all the way around the table if you don't want to ever use a shorty cue. So, yeah, 15'x20' is just enough for a 9 foot table. If you want chairs, a table, a bar, etc., then you'll need more room. Probably at least 5 extra feet on one side. So, now you're talking 15'x25' or 20'x20'.

agree with above^^^

 

[Pjaze]

I agree aswell,

Just work it out yourself, you know how big your cue is, you also know the table size. Now work out the minimum backstroke you need when your up against the cushion. Add them all up and there you have it.

I had to compromise, my shed had 20feet of room, but has beems coming down in some places. So where the beams are I only have about 5-6 inches of back stroke.

Work these things out, then decide if you can live with it.


Maths : Assuming 10 inch backstroke

9 foot + 58inches + 58 inches + 10 inches + 10 inches = 20.3 feet.

 

[msubilliards]

I wish people would stop using the listed size of the table when deciding how much space you need. The playing dimensions for a 9 foot table is 100" by 50". 100 inches is 8'4". The outer dimensions of the table don't matter since you can cue above the rails.

 

[RackOnTour]

Real Size.

msubilliards is correct.
External table measurements will only have a bearing on your egress or furniture placement...if any.

The table playing area is 100" x 50"
A standard length cue is 58"
This means that the actual minimum room size without intrusions is:
The length of the table plus 2 x the length of the cue = 216" (18')
multiplied X
The width of the table plus 2 x the length of the cue = 166" (13'10")

You may be surprised that this will still give you ample cueing room because it is only on very rare occasions that a shot presents itself where the ball is frozen to the rail and you must shoot away at a 90 degree angle. In these instances you will raise the cue slightly and are not likely to take a longer stroke for this type of shot anyway.

After all this, you may extend the dimensions accordingly to allow for anything extra like a longer cue, extra room for an insanely long stroke, furniture or even a bar and stripper pole!

Hope this helps.

 

[jschelin99]

I wish people would stop using the listed size of the table when deciding how much space you need. The playing dimensions for a 9 foot table is 100" by 50". 100 inches is 8'4". The outer dimensions of the table don't matter since you can cue above the rails.

4-1/2' x 9' = 54" x 108"

So, 4 or 8 inches makes a BIG difference? In a lot of things, yes. But in a "what size room do I need..." discussion, I don't think so.

 

[msubilliards]

4-1/2' x 9' = 54" x 108"

So, 4 or 8 inches makes a BIG difference? In a lot of things, yes. But in a "what size room do I need..." discussion, I don't think so.

When your room isn't big enough then yes every inch counts. 4-8 inches can mean the difference between being able to have a backstroke and not being able to.

 

[jtompilot]

msubilliards is correct.
External table measurements will only have a bearing on your egress or furniture placement...if any.

The table playing area is 100" x 50"
A standard length cue is 58"
This means that the actual minimum room size without intrusions is:
The length of the table plus 2 x the length of the cue = 216" (18')
multiplied X
The width of the table plus 2 x the length of the cue = 166" (13'10")

You may be surprised that this will still give you ample cueing room because it is only on very rare occasions that a shot presents itself where the ball is frozen to the rail and you must shoot away at a 90 degree angle. In these instances you will raise the cue slightly and are not likely to take a longer stroke for this type of shot anyway.

After all this, you may extend the dimensions accordingly to allow for anything extra like a longer cue, extra room for an insanely long stroke, furniture or even a bar and stripper pole!

This is why I said 15x19. It may not be ideal but it works for home.

 

[jtompilot]

msubilliards is correct.
External table measurements will only have a bearing on your egress or furniture placement...if any.

The table playing area is 100" x 50"
A standard length cue is 58"
This means that the actual minimum room size without intrusions is:
The length of the table plus 2 x the length of the cue = 216" (18')
multiplied X
The width of the table plus 2 x the length of the cue = 166" (13'10")

You may be surprised that this will still give you ample cueing room because it is only on very rare occasions that a shot presents itself where the ball is frozen to the rail and you must shoot away at a 90 degree angle. In these instances you will raise the cue slightly and are not likely to take a longer stroke for this type of shot anyway.

After all this, you may extend the dimensions accordingly to allow for anything extra like a longer cue, extra room for an insanely long stroke, furniture or even a bar and stripper pole!

Hope this helps.

This is why I said 15x19. It may not be ideal but it works for home.

 

[Cornerman]

Building off the prior thread, how big of a room do you really need to fit a 9 foot table comfortably?

Is 15 x 20 sufficient? More?

It seems clear that Diamond, Brunswick, and Olhausen's charts are full of it:

http://www.diamondbilliards.com/index.php/about/pool-room-dimensions

http://www.brunswickbilliards.com/helpful_information/room_size_requirements.html

http://www.olhausenbilliards.com/ROOM+CHART/id/40/

For serious players, that's slightly above the minimum. In other words, if that's the room, do it.

Personally, I tell people the minimum for a 9' table 14' 10" x 19' to give a minimum 6" backswing frozen on the cushion.

If you got more room, great. If not, you've met the minimum requirements by my book.

Freddie <~~~ will sacrifice not putting in chairs and tables for room to play

 

[Cornerman]

4-1/2' x 9' = 54" x 108"

So, 4 or 8 inches makes a BIG difference? In a lot of things, yes. But in a "what size room do I need..." discussion, I don't think so.

It does make a difference. It's the difference between:

1) Hey, after asking the internet and doing what someone who sounded like he knew what he was talking about, i came up short and it sucks.

2) Hey, after asking the internet and doing what someone who sounded like he knew what he was talking about, it was perfect.

Pool is a game of hairs, not inches. So, for whatever it's worth, if a guy asks a question on room for a pool table, IMO it's important to use the right dimensions. Thousands of people are duped by the internet table sales dimensions. This is the forum to get it right.

Freddie <~~~ wants to get it right

 

[TSW]

Thanks everybody. Seems like there's the mathematical minimum at
18x14, which is what Brunswick and Diamond quote. There's also the comfortable minimum, which is closer to 15x19 or so (and of course larger if you want to include chairs and whatnot).

 

[TSW]

Pool is a game of hairs, not inches. So, for whatever it's worth, if a guy asks a question on room for a pool table, IMO it's important to use the right dimensions. Thousands of people are duped by the internet table sales dimensions. This is the forum to get it right.

Freddie <~~~ wants to get it right

Thank you Freddie. This is exactly why I asked.

As a forum of serious players, we should be able to figure out the minimum space to fit a 9 foot table comfortably, as defined by a serious player. Not some theoretical minimum that a sales rep will try to proffer.

- Geoff

 

[jtompilot]

It is officially beat to death now:thumbup:

 

[TSW]

It is officially beat to death now:thumbup:

Well, no, I don't think it is.

I started this thread as a result of a prior thread where a couple of people had 13 foot wide or 14 foot wide rooms and were getting mixed signals about the size of table they could fit.

If someone is buying a house or building a pool room, knowing the exact dimensions is critically important. There's nothing worse than sinking a LOT of money into a room that comes up just a bit short.

 

[jschelin99]

Well, no, I don't think it is.

I started this thread as a result of a prior thread where a couple of people had 13 foot wide or 14 foot wide rooms and were getting mixed signals about the size of table they could fit.

If someone is buying a house or building a pool room, knowing the exact dimensions is critically important. There's nothing worse than sinking a LOT of money into a room that comes up just a bit short.

Yes, you are correct. And the other guys talking about the importance of a couple extra inches here and there - they're correct, too. But here's the thing. In my first post, I said, "the quick and easy answer is..." I wasn't giving the exact dimensions required for an architect. Second of all, I think it's extremely important for anyone designing a room and/or wondering how big of a pool table they can squeeze into a room needs to do a little more than just take the word of a couple strangers on an Internet forum site.

Granted, there are a lot if people here that know what they're talking about. I have found this forum to be an amazing resource, especially the "Ask the Cuemaker" section, since I am a cue maker that's always looking to improve.

So, by all means, ask questions. But when it comes time to plunk down cash on a room or a table, you're the one ultimately responsible.

Best of luck.

 

[spktur]

Now this is the proper size for a home billiard room

 

[TSW]

Yes, you are correct. And the other guys talking about the importance of a couple extra inches here and there - they're correct, too. But here's the thing. In my first post, I said, "the quick and easy answer is..." I wasn't giving the exact dimensions required for an architect. Second of all, I think it's extremely important for anyone designing a room and/or wondering how big of a pool table they can squeeze into a room needs to do a little more than just take the word of a couple strangers on an Internet forum site.

Granted, there are a lot if people here that know what they're talking about. I have found this forum to be an amazing resource, especially the "Ask the Cuemaker" section, since I am a cue maker that's always looking to improve.

So, by all means, ask questions. But when it comes time to plunk down cash on a room or a table, you're the one ultimately responsible.

Best of luck.

Right, and agreed. In the end the owner is certainly the one responsible.

What irks me is that the sources that should be authoritative (namely, Brunswick, Diamond, and Olhausen) are putting out misleading information. When they list a "minimum size," it's not clear that their "minimum" preculdes you from taking a full stroke on certain shots. These companies are trying to sell tables, so they have an incentive to expand their market. I'm trying to determine the practical, comfortable minimum, not the bare bones minimum.

 

[spktur]

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