Rules: Time penalty and Push Out

[CaptainJR]

Is it in the written rules?

One thing that can make a shot decision more difficult is having choices. What shot do you have the most choices? The Push. No restrictions, just do anything you want to do. I think trying to figure out what to do on a push is one of my biggest down falls in 9 ball. I use to push to a jump shot a lot, but now a days everyone has a jump stick. I think I know most of the things to look for in a push shot, but I have such a hard time making up my mind.

So, what rule am I talking about? Opinions are certainly welcome here but I'm really looking for something in writing on the rules.

Lets say I broke the rack, made a ball and am looking to push because I don't have a shot on the 1 ball. I'm thinking so hard about it that I don't hear the referee give me the time warning. All of a sudden the referee says "time!", he comes over, picks up the cue ball and hands it to my opponent. Here is the question. Does my opponent have the opportunity to push? Might be a silly question and I'm having trouble coming up with a scenario that it might be advantageous to do it, but I think there probably could be situations where he might consider it.

So there are a couple of subjects here.

1. Does the incoming player with ball in hand because of a time penalty after the break, have the push available?

2. What kind of situation could exist that might make him think about pushing?

or even

3. If you know the opponent can't push, what kind of situation could exist that you might let the time run out on purpose?

 

[vapoolplayer]

Is it in the written rules?

One thing that can make a shot decision more difficult is having choices. What shot do you have the most choices? The Push. No restrictions, just do anything you want to do. I think trying to figure out what to do on a push is one of my biggest down falls in 9 ball. I use to push to a jump shot a lot, but now a days everyone has a jump stick. I think I know most of the things to look for in a push shot, but I have such a hard time making up my mind.

So, what rule am I talking about? Opinions are certainly welcome here but I'm really looking for something in writing on the rules.

Lets say I broke the rack, made a ball and am looking to push because I don't have a shot on the 1 ball. I'm thinking so hard about it that I don't hear the referee give me the time warning. All of a sudden the referee says "time!", he comes over, picks up the cue ball and hands it to my opponent. Here is the question. Does my opponent have the opportunity to push? Might be a silly question and I'm having trouble coming up with a scenario that it might be advantageous to do it, but I think there probably could be situations where he might consider it.

So there are a couple of subjects here.

1. Does the incoming player with ball in hand because of a time penalty after the break, have the push available?

2. What kind of situation could exist that might make him think about pushing?

or even

3. If you know the opponent can't push, what kind of situation could exist that you might let the time run out on purpose?

hmmm, interesting.

i don't know the actual ruling but here's my .02.

i don't think he would be allowed to push.

even if he could you already have 1 foul, if he can't run out, his best bet is to lock you up and try for a second foul. i can't see ANY instance where you would want to let the time run out, he will most surely have a safe shot.......again, with ball in hand, probably putting you on two fouls with another ball in hand.


and i really really really don't think that you wouldn't hear the ref, even if you didn't, i'm sure they would make sure you did hear them. i have never seen anyone actually get a foul called for exceding the shot clock.

thanks

VAP