Run This (50)
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Nice. The only thing I'd say is that the 3 in the side off of the 6 is a very touchy shot unless you fell absolutely perfect on the 6. But a draw off of the 6 gives you much more room and would allow you to shoot the 3 in the lower right corner and still have the 8 next to preserve your sequence.
Thanks for contributing. It seems this series has hit a lull. I've been lazy about participating as well. Maybe it's because it's summertime. Maybe it's just run its course. I'll keep posting them though, and maybe they'll pick up speed again sometime in the future.
Thanks for contributing. It seems this series has hit a lull. I've been lazy about participating as well. Maybe it's because it's summertime. Maybe it's just run its course. I'll keep posting them though, and maybe they'll pick up speed again sometime in the future.
Jeff;
Its a good mental exercise. With the TAR stuff and tournaments at a height, things will be slower.
BTW,
I'd shoot the 5 in the bottom corner and have the QB push the 13 up for a break ball (I'm right handed). 2 is next.
1 is set up for 3 or 6 to get on 13 for break.
I'll do more when I figure out cuetable a little better. Thanks for taking the time to put these up.
Mike
Its a good mental exercise. With the TAR stuff and tournaments at a height, things will be slower.
BTW,
I'd shoot the 5 in the bottom corner and have the QB push the 13 up for a break ball (I'm right handed). 2 is next.
1 is set up for 3 or 6 to get on 13 for break.
I'll do more when I figure out cuetable a little better. Thanks for taking the time to put these up.
Mike
chefjeff said:
It's not because it's far away from the rack, but because it's so high. But it is certainly workable if you can fall nicely on it. Actually the fact that it is farther away from the rack means that the cueball has time to curve forward off of the tangent line, which you'll notice extends above and beyond the rack, to hit the rack.
Table messed up at the end, but you get the idea.
I don't like the 13 as the break ball as it is too close to the rack. I don't like using the 5 from the other direction, as it only contacts a few balls (if any at all), requiring at least 1 (if not more) secondary break shots. Honestly, I would probably hang the 1 or the 8 on a tight table, as the angles are pretty shallow. But on a bucket table, I think this is a good pattern.
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chefjeff:
The 8 ball is Ok for a break ball, but getting on it isn't as easy as some of the other options. If there was a ball on the rail near the side it would be easier. Also if you use the 6 or 3 and get a little off angle you are dead. If you use the 8, I would come up from the 11, setting up from the 12.
The 8 ball is Ok for a break ball, but getting on it isn't as easy as some of the other options. If there was a ball on the rail near the side it would be easier. Also if you use the 6 or 3 and get a little off angle you are dead. If you use the 8, I would come up from the 11, setting up from the 12.
Deadon said:
Thanks, Deadon.
I agree about using the 11 to get on the 8. I love using a ball like the 11 as soming off the end rail allows so much variation for shape.
What other break ball options are easier in this layout, if you don't mind my asking?
Jeff Livingston
Like my first post. If I had ball in hand I would move the 13 into perfect position for a traditonal BB which would work great with the 3 and 6 to set it up. Otherwise there is the 5, 3, and 8; in that order of preference, based on the availability of key balls.
Deadon said:
The three is better than the eight? hmmmm. I can move balls around---especially with the fictional ball-in-hand, but that seems risky.
I'd finish the rack using the one to get to the three to set up the eight...the triangle thingy that Blackjack talked about.
Am I that far off in my thinking? Am I selling out, ya think?
Jeff Livingston
The 8,2,13,5 is such a nice end pattern that I would prefer the 5-ball break. Second would be the 8-ball break, because as Jeff said you have that 1-ball to get to the 3 or 6-ball key, and the 1-ball has great balls to set it up from uptable. I don't like the 3-ball because the tangent off of it will glance off of the side of the stack. The 6-ball is nice and it has good key balls, but on closer inspection there would have to be a bit of maneuvering to get the other balls out of the way.
bluepepper said:
You know I thought the same thing when I got to that area. I thought I had figure it out before starting the diagram but when I got to that point I was kind of stuck. So I decided to do it the way I would really try to do it on a table.
The shot I ended up with on the one ball isn't ideal either I don't think. I think I would need more angle to get position on the 6 so I wouldn't have to hit the one so hard.
Thanks for the tips - I'm just trying to pick this stuff up!
Jeff, yeah, that one sets up nice. I just tried to do a cuetable layout using the 6-ball break and it crashed near the end, so just imagine the following, which I think works well:
3,8,2,13,5,1uptable,9,12,11,7,6(break)
The 6-ball is close to the break ball that John Schmidt uses whenever he starts a practice run, so it can't be too bad. You usually don't have nice setup balls for it, which is probably why it isn't used much. But as long as you can hit one of the top 2 rack balls solidly the rack blows apart nicely.
3,8,2,13,5,1uptable,9,12,11,7,6(break)
The 6-ball is close to the break ball that John Schmidt uses whenever he starts a practice run, so it can't be too bad. You usually don't have nice setup balls for it, which is probably why it isn't used much. But as long as you can hit one of the top 2 rack balls solidly the rack blows apart nicely.
md5key said:
I see what you mean about the 1-ball. You're right, that is a touchy one too. That's something you'll find a lot when you have to cross to the next shot's angle rather than approach it more along its line. And I think these exercises wake us up to better pattern choices, so this sort of thing doesn't trap us.
The 7 and 9 would be good setup balls for a break off the 6 or 3.
Jeff;
Don't be concerned about shooting the 5 and pushing the 13 up. Its a common shot in creating break balls. Its also good practice. The 2 is right there in the corner pocket so you can't go wrong and if you blow the push on the 13 there are still open pockets for it. Low risk, with ball in hand.
BP;
On the 8,2,13,5 sequence. Because the 2 is so close to the 5, exact angle on the 13 is critical. If your confident in the shot its OK, but very treacherous because if your an inch too high or an inch too low, the shot becomes difficult. Too many better alternatives.
Jeff;
Don't be concerned about shooting the 5 and pushing the 13 up. Its a common shot in creating break balls. Its also good practice. The 2 is right there in the corner pocket so you can't go wrong and if you blow the push on the 13 there are still open pockets for it. Low risk, with ball in hand.
BP;
On the 8,2,13,5 sequence. Because the 2 is so close to the 5, exact angle on the 13 is critical. If your confident in the shot its OK, but very treacherous because if your an inch too high or an inch too low, the shot becomes difficult. Too many better alternatives.
Deadon, good point about the below the rack pattern. I ran through it and realized there's a safer way. It starts on page 2 of the sequence below.
As for the bumping up of the ball, I don't think it's as easy as it looks. The tangent line off of the 5 isn't quite right:
As for the bumping up of the ball, I don't think it's as easy as it looks. The tangent line off of the 5 isn't quite right: