Schuler Cues Market

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poolbiz420

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I don't know if it's the area i'm in or what but there doesn't seem to be a big market for original Ray Schular cues. Does anyone know why? He made a great cue for 25 years studied under Herman Rambow, Has Jermey Jones as a player rep. It just seems no one is interested in his cues? Just something i'm puzzled about if someone could throw some insite my way i would appreciate it.
 
I think it might be simple name recognition. Only folks very involved in cues themselves know of Ray and the great cues he made with that super joint. Have one with floating points and love it.

Later, Pel
 
poolbiz420 said:
I don't know if it's the area i'm in or what but there doesn't seem to be a big market for original Ray Schular cues. Does anyone know why? He made a great cue for 25 years studied under Herman Rambow, Has Jermey Jones as a player rep. It just seems no one is interested in his cues? Just something i'm puzzled about if someone could throw some insite my way i would appreciate it.
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The November 2004 issue of InsidePOOL Magazine (downloadable at Insidepool.com) has an article on The Schuler Cue company. There is a brief mention on why the author thinks that Schuler Cues haven't reached the popularity that its peers have outside the Chicago area.

Fred <~~~ Schuler fan, outside the Chicago area.
 
Fred Agnir said:
The November 2004 issue of InsidePOOL Magazine (downloadable at Insidepool.com) has an article on The Schuler Cue company. There is a brief mention on why the author thinks that Schuler Cues haven't reached the popularity that its peers have outside the Chicago area.

Fred <~~~ Schuler fan, outside the Chicago area.
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I had Ray make me a cue back in 99' it hit great, i put it away this year (even though it killed me to) an decided to try a BCM cue it's also a great hitting cue. Some day hopefully everyone will know what people in the Chicago area (and a few of us outside that area) already know about his cues.
 
I ran over a couple people with a borrowed Buss! The dang thing was on auto-pilot! A straight shooter for sure. I offered some marbles and bubblegum but, was turned down! Ah well... got to start saving them pesos!! :D
 
his cues are....

1...unattractive
2...poorly "crafted"

they have a solid hit, but as a collectable they're not highly prized.

btw,,,IS schuler cues simply a chicago thing? i know his cues are very well received in the 3 cushion game.
 
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bruin70 said:
his cues are....

1...unattractive
2...poorly "crafted"

they have a solid hit, but as a collectable they're not highly prized.

btw,,,IS schuler cues simply a chicago thing? i know his cues are very well received in the 3 cushion game.
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I can agree some of his cues are not the best looking, but poorly "crafted"?
Can some make poorly crafted cues for 25 years?
 
poolbiz420 said:
I can agree some of his cues are not the best looking, but poorly "crafted"?
Can some make poorly crafted cues for 25 years?
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To me, they have a look of a tool, which is what I think, was Ray's first priority in his designing. I believe he wanted to put great tools in the hands of players. They have a look, of handmade, somewhat less of a manufactured look, which can be appealling to some. I saw a player, at Starcher's in Akron OH, that had a plain one made of oak, it was not ugly, nor did it look poorly crafted. If I stumbled onto a great deal for one, I would give it an honest try :)

Tracy
 
RSB-Refugee said:
To me, they have a look of a tool, which is what I think, was Ray's first priority in his designing. I believe he wanted to put great tools in the hands of players. They have a look, of handmade, somewhat less of a manufactured look, which can be appealling to some. I saw a player, at Starcher's in Akron OH, that had a plain one made of oak, it was not ugly, nor did it look poorly crafted. If I stumbled onto a great deal for one, I would give it an honest try :)


Tracy
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What's a great deal to you?
 
poolbiz420 said:
What's a great deal to you?
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$20 at a yard sale, would be a great deal :)
A good deal would be cosiderably more though.
I see there is one on ebay now, starting bid is
$350 and reserve not met. I think that is a little
too high for a secondhand plain jane.

Tracy <---Not an expert on cue pricing ;)
 
A number of top three cushion players, including Raymond Ceulemens, used Schuler cues so I doubt there's a lack of craftsmanship.

I think so many three cushion players own them, and use a fat three cushion taper on the shaft, that pool players are turned off by the hit when trying to play pool with them and came to regard them as only three cushion cues. I don't see any reason why his cues with a regular taper wouldn't play great though...his joint is one of the better ones out there and the cue is fundamentally solid.

I've been offered 300 for my cue that has no points,inlays,etc... and I think that's holding pretty good value for a pretty plain stick. Billiard players love the hit and if you play bar pool, you might want to try a Schuler to bully that big rock around.
 
poolbiz420 said:
I can agree some of his cues are not the best looking, but poorly "crafted"?
Can some make poorly crafted cues for 25 years?
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excruciatingly so :)........
schuler's cues have some of the worst tolerances i've ever seen. wood filler and glue clearly visible in between points and inlays. sometimes with as much as 1/16" space! CROOKED windows! as in lopsided and wavy. i think most any cuemaker will tell you that crooked windows are harder to do wrong than to do right, but schuler managed to do so.

a well known "cue person" and huge schuler supporter offered one once. i was shocked at the poor workmanship.

very slopppy craftmanship.
 
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bud green said:
A number of top three cushion players, including Raymond Ceulemens, used Schuler cues so I doubt there's a lack of craftsmanship.

I think so many three cushion players own them, and use a fat three cushion taper on the shaft, that pool players are turned off by the hit when trying to play pool with them and came to regard them as only three cushion cues. I don't see any reason why his cues with a regular taper wouldn't play great though...his joint is one of the better ones out there and the cue is fundamentally solid.

I've been offered 300 for my cue that has no points,inlays,etc... and I think that's holding pretty good value for a pretty plain stick. Billiard players love the hit and if you play bar pool, you might want to try a Schuler to bully that big rock around.
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That's kinda why I got mine. I have one billiard taper and one stiff pool taper. It isn't my favorite cue and is not my main playing cue. But I've traveled with it when I might get the chance to play either pool or billiards. I don't know if I'd get another one. I doubt it. Ugly cue, bur hits 'em hard. Should probably seel it but I probably won't.
 
I guess when he made mine i got lucky. All four of my points are even with no glue lines to be seen, the squares in the butt are all straight. I can see the thing about the shafts i have an american taper which i didn't like, the Schular pro is nice, but the ultimate hit i have a predator shaft with the Schular joint in it made a little longer. The whole cue is sweet like i said i hated to put it away.
 
poolbiz420 said:
I guess when he made mine i got lucky. All four of my points are even with no glue lines to be seen, the squares in the butt are all straight. I can see the thing about the shafts i have an american taper which i didn't like, the Schular pro is nice, but the ultimate hit i have a predator shaft with the Schular joint in it made a little longer. The whole cue is sweet like i said i hated to put it away.
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jpb's response above is quite typical......lukewarm. i get the feeling the only people you'll find gung-ho about a schuler are the 3 cushion players, and they're won't drive the collectors market, and they don't really care about cosmetics.

i owned one(slight taper just one step above a pro taper i think. gave it away), and the hit was very good. but i must say there's something very "barebones" about the schuler hit. it has no finesse...it is rather crude,,,,is all i can think of.

powerful joint, though.

if i had the notion to get a schuler, and they were being made THE SAME as when ray was alive, i would see if it were possible to get one unfinished, have another cuemaker add inlays, change the ferrule material to something soft, and use the other cuemaker's shaft wood. in other words,,,all i'd want from a schuler is the joint,,,maybe his cue measurements too:):):)
 
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I love my Schuler. It has a pro-taper, beautiful birdseye maple w/ bubinka points. Not flashy but I don't need flashy. I tried many cues before I bought this one. Kept coming back to it, bought it about 13 years ago and have no desire to play with any other. Very solid and good all round playing cue. I was recently offered a good bit of money for it which I had to turn down.

Phyl
PS. Of 3 other players I know with a Schuler, they feel same way about theirs. No 3 cushion players here.
 
I just bought a Schuler masse' cue.

The local cue dealers in my area didn't even know what a masse' cue was, let alone carry them.

My masse' cue is; Cocobolo, 25 oz., 48 inches long, and has a 13mm Triangle, nickel shaped tip.

I've never been able to shoot those cool masse' shots with my regular cue (except curve shots), now I can work magic!

After a few days of practice, I can get a few balls in - here and there, with a masse' shot. But from the books I've read, I think it will take years of practice to get good at these shots.

Anyway it helps to have the right equipment. Now I should be able to learn what I can and can't do with my regular cue so far as masse' shots go.

Schuler masse' cue's web page...
http://schulercue.com/products/accessories.htm
 
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