Scratching on the break HELP!

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Ok game is 9-ball, bar table, I bet half of the time when I break the cue ball goes in the right hand side pocket if I break from the right. I try breaking straight on and just can't get the balls to go in that way. I do not use my hand as a bridge like the pros do, Cant hit them hard enough that way it seems, I just hold the stick against the rail and blast. Any help would be appreciated.Thanks
 
check the cloth and the balls. if the cloth is sheered down to nothing, and the balls are very shiny, and clean, lay off the speed and break, from the head spot, you'll get great results. if however, the cloth is thick, like a shag carpet, and the balls aren't clean, no one can get good results from the break, so consider it even!
 
there is one thaing you can do to check your delivery. Address the Cue Ball as though you were using one full tip RH english. if your problems go away, you have been crossing the line-of-flight, striking the Cue Ball on the left side & deflecting the shot to the right, just enough to get that SCRATCH thing going.

Give it a try... cb
 
And another helpful item I saw here time ago:

When aiming, do not aim at the center of the ball's face, aim at the point where the ball touches the felt. That is the actual center.

Good luck!!

-pigi
 
Line up between the 1 ball and the left (or right) corner on the head rail. Center ball hit on the one like you are trying to cut it to the center diamond on the foot rail. Start with a medium stroke and work your way back to full speed.
 
When you break, you need to control the cue ball. Simply slamming into the balls is not the right way to break. You want to hit the 1 ball square and have the cue ball pop back into the center of the table. The center of the table offers the best chance to have a shot at the 1-ball. Also, there is no pocket at the center of the table. The pockets are all along the rail. If you control the cue ball well after the break, the cue ball should not go anywhere near a rail.

When I say hit the 1 ball square, I don't mean hit the exact front of it. I mean that you want the cue ball to go straight into the 1 ball. If you break from the head spot, then yes, you will hit the 1 ball at the front. If you break from the side, you will hit directly into the 1 ball. The advice piglet gave above is 100% correct. Aim at the point where the 1 ball hits the felt. A good friend of mine (Tony Robles) gave me that very same advice a long time ago when I was moving up on the pro 9-ball tour. It helped my break a lot.

You said that you break from back by the head rail. You said that you can't break from the headstring with a normal bridge. Well, if you can't do it, practice it. You will break much better. The extra distance will kill the power, especially if you are playing on 9-foot tables. On bar boxes it doesn't matter much. When you practice, break from the headstring. When you are competing, break (for now) from where you are comfortable. Eventually you will learn to break from the headstring and you will have better results. A long time ago, I could never break from the corner. I got sick of people breaking from there and making a ball against me when I couldn't do it. What did I do? I learned how to do it. That is what you have to do. Learn how to break from the headstring. Don't get discouraged if it doesn't work immediately. Keep trying during practice. Eventually it will work for you.

Also, you need to control the cue ball. If you break and the cue ball goes flying off into the rail and running around the table, you didn't hit the 1 ball square. Here is what you should do. Take about 50% off the power you use to break. Hit 'em lightly at first. Try to hit the 1 ball square and get the cue ball to not hit a rail after the break. If the cue ball gets kicked by another ball into the rail, that is okay. Try to see if the cue ball would have hit a rail if it wasn't kicked. Keep doing this and as you get more consistent at it, slowly increase your power. Again, only do this in practice. Eventually you will be hitting the balls at about 80% of your maximum power and controlling the cue ball regularly. You never want to break at 100% power. 80% is plenty. If you hit the 1 ball square, you will see the balls scatter. That is the key, not trying to blast them.

What english do you put on the break to get the cue ball to stop near the center? I've seen a lot of posts and heard a lot of teachers telling their students you have to hit 1 tip of this and elevate ## degrees, etc, etc. I would not listen to any of that. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure what everyone is saying works for them, but that is my whole point. It works for them. It may or may not work for you. You need to find your own spot that will get the job done. With my stroke, I break from the corner, have the cue elevated slightly (due to the rail), and hit about 1/2 to 1 tip below center, depending on the playing conditions. You can try that if you want, and if it works, I will be happy that I helped you. However, your stroke is different from mine. You may hit the cue ball with 1 tip of draw and get a lot more draw than me, or a lot less draw than me. I don't know. Use the advice others (and I) give as a starting point. If you try hitting it with 1 tip of draw and you draw the cue ball way back to the head cushion consistently, hit it with center ball.

Anyway, I hope all of this information helps you break the balls better. Good luck.

Andy Segal
 
Andy,
In my previous post, I stated how I nomally break a 9-ball rack. The action on this break usually sends the ball to the rail and back out to the center while sendin the one(or it's force) to the center. You are saying it would be better to stop the ball by hitting it full. Right?
 
Good post Andy. I think that is an example that "certain" individuals/pros could take into consideration when posting. Too each their own.

I would like to add that when you start working on controlling the CB on the break, you can also pay attention to the one ball. Depending on speed/stroke/english you will be able to move the one towards the side pocket if you like. If you hit below center on the cb, you can make the 1 ball "hold" towards the side, and if you hit above center, you can make the 1 drift further towards headstring side. So depending on the equipment and conditions, you can get pretty consistent potting the 1 ball in the side, controlling the rock, or bring the one down table towards a corner pocket giving you another shot if the CB is in the center of the table.

Depending on the angle of your stroke, you should be able to get results that you are looking for without "loading" up the CB with top/bottom english when you are making the adjustments. Main thing, is keeping the rock in the center, but if you can pot the 1ball, or leave it as a hanger, it is easier to keep a run going.

IMO
 
Two replies:

BazookaJoe: The answer to your question is 'yes'. I would not recommend breaking from the corner and hitting the 1 ball at the front edge (cutting it to the second diamond on the foot cushion). You are not hitting the 1 ball square in that case. If you cut an object ball, the cue ball transfers some energy to the object ball but it keeps some for itself. That is why the cue ball rolls afterwards. When you break that way, the cue ball is moving fast towards the side cushion after hitting the 1 ball. If you hit the 1 ball dead in the face, the cue ball will transfer all of its energy to the one ball and into the rack. Try this... Hit the cue ball softly (lag speed) the way you described, cutting the 1 ball. Then rack again and hit the cue ball at the same speed directly into the rack. At that very slow speed, you will see a big difference in how the balls spread. The thinner you cut the 1 ball, the less energy is transfered into the rack and the slower the object balls will roll.

Perk: Cutting the 1 ball in the side pocket is okay for some people. I prefer not to do that. In order to get that going, you can't hit the 1 ball square. You need to cut it a little. You are cutting it the opposite way the BazookeJoe described. That is, if you break from the left corner, you hit the 1 ball a little left of center. That will result in a weaker spread of the balls. I see some of the women doing this on TV. The balls barely move. Most of the balls wind up around the rack area. Some of the women break squarely into the head ball (like Jeanette) and the balls scatter. In that case, she is trying to make the corner ball. However, your idea does have some merit. In my last pro 9-ball event, at the Riveira two years ago (during the APA tournament), we used the Sardo rack and the 9-ball was racked on the spot instead of the 1 ball, because with a perfect rack, the corner ball went almost every time and they wanted to stop that. Because the rack was so high, you could use your break, cutting the 1 ball, taking some speed off the break, and hitting it with high english. The 1 ball went in the side consistently enough for me to use that break. I, personally, would not recommend doing that, but if it works for you, keep it up and I hope you have success with it.

I hope this helps.

Andy Segal
 
Thanks Andy
I'll most definitely try that. I rarely scratch on the break my way, but my break definitely needs work.
 
Hey Andy, thanks for the get info.
One question, what kind of stance do u preferr? Do u curl up tight to explode into the rack or is it more of a lunge stick throwing break.
I have tried both and found that the curled with my chin a couple a feet away from my stick work for me. I once saw a play that had a winding motion to his break where he would make his elbow be the pivoting point of his break.
He would raise his elbow and with one good swift motion strike the rack with enormous power and control. Any suggestions would be apprciated.
 
Nineball Tim said:
Ok game is 9-ball, bar table, I bet half of the time when I break the cue ball goes in the right hand side pocket if I break from the right. I try breaking straight on and just can't get the balls to go in that way. I do not use my hand as a bridge like the pros do, Cant hit them hard enough that way it seems, I just hold the stick against the rail and blast. Any help would be appreciated.Thanks

Drink more beer and keep blasting away, my brother in law sells sheet rock, you guys are good for his business.
 
I've seen a lot of different stances and body motions when breaking. I prefer to plant my back foot and put a little more weight on it then on a normal shot. When I break, I don't lunge at the balls. I just push off my foot and transfer the weight at the same time as when the CB is struck. I don't like lunging because that just adds another variable that can go wrong.

Which ever way to go with, make sure it is for the right reasons. If it works for you, great. I've seen too many people (some 7's in APA) break and stroke horrible because they are trying to copy a certain pro's style.

Good Luck.

Andy
 
Try to lay off the wieght a little aim a little low, I've always found I have more success with my bridge hand on the table surface rather then on top of the rail I'm less likely to jack up or hit the cueball with unwanted topspin. When I put my bridge hand on the table I always have my thumb (right handed/break from right rail) just touching the rail (for consistancey) also I can see more of the QB rather than when bridging on top of the rail. Think cue speed and control rather then power my mistake is usually trying to hit to hard also ,think 80% like driving a golf ball. better to leave a hard table where the QB lies then scratch.
 
Nineball Tim said:
Ok game is 9-ball, bar table, I bet half of the time when I break the cue ball goes in the right hand side pocket if I break from the right. I try breaking straight on and just can't get the balls to go in that way. I do not use my hand as a bridge like the pros do, Cant hit them hard enough that way it seems, I just hold the stick against the rail and blast. Any help would be appreciated.Thanks

Believe it or not...one of the simpleist ways to change the problem...
just choke up about one inch closer to the joint from where your hand is now placed....
try it....

...assuming your other basics are pretty good...
 
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