ShXt on hard tips.

[CaptainJR]

I’ve been experimenting with some other tips. I tried a couple of Morri’s. First I tried the medium. It doesn’t hold chalk very well. Then I tried Morri soft or slow what ever it’s called. Miscued 7 times in 19 games. 3 of these I’m certain that I chalked up and wasn’t hitting to low on the cue ball. After the first few I had zero confidence in my stick and lead to the first time I ever felt like I embarrassed myself at a pool tournament. Went home, put an Elk Master back on my stick. Went down stairs and hit about 300 draw shots without even one miscue.

The title of the thread was a little harsh I guess. A personal thing I suppose, but I know now that harder tips aren’t for me.
Done experimenting.

 

[Cane]

Cap'n, Depends on the player I guess. I prefer hard tips and hardly EVER miscue. When I do miscue, it's not the tip, its ME!!! BUT, confidence in equipment might be part of the miscue thing. I mean, if it were the tips, then everyone using hard tips would miscue, or everyone using soft tips would miscue. I think it's more in what we, as players, have confidence in on the end of our cues. For you, it's the Elkmaster, for me it's the Moori.

I generally use Moori III Quicks, but decided to use Talisman Pro Hards about 3 or so weeks ago. For me, they're alright, but seem a bit softer than the Moori III's, so I'll go back to the harder Mooris pretty soon. I just don't like a soft or medium tip and prefer the hard tips... like I said, just personal preference and I feel like I have more control with the harder tips. I know many players, everywhere from B to Pro and there is no ubiquitous tip used... I've seen top notch players using soft tips, and top notch players using super hard tips.

Later,
Bob

 

[CaptainJR]

Cap'n, Depends on the player I guess. I prefer hard tips and hardly EVER miscue. When I do miscue, it's not the tip, its ME!!! BUT, confidence in equipment might be part of the miscue thing. I mean, if it were the tips, then everyone using hard tips would miscue, or everyone using soft tips would miscue. I think it's more in what we, as players, have confidence in on the end of our cues. For you, it's the Elkmaster, for me it's the Moori.

I generally use Moori III Quicks, but decided to use Talisman Pro Hards about 3 or so weeks ago. For me, they're alright, but seem a bit softer than the Moori III's, so I'll go back to the harder Mooris pretty soon. Still, I don't like a soft or medium tip and prefer the hard tips... like I said, just personal preference and I feel like I have more control with the harder tips.

Later,
Bob

One thing that upsets me is that I really liked the way the Moori medium hit when I was hitting center ball. I liked being able to swing the stick a little slower and get the same speed. I really wish I thought that I could get use to it and have the confidence with it.

 

[Gregg]

Miscues with a Morri medium? News to me. I don't know about tip curvature, grooming, etc. but the last thing people complain about with Morri tips are miscues.

 

[CaptainJR]

Miscues with a Morri medium? News to me. I don't know about tip curvature, grooming, etc. but the last thing people complain about with Morri tips are miscues.

It was the Moori slow or soft that I was miss cueing with. The medium I didn’t like that it was so much trouble keeping chalk on it.

As a matter of fact I wrote on here a few weeks ago that I had my biggest win ever last month and that was with the Moori medium on. Only I’m surprised that I wasn’t condemned for slow play because between every shot I had to be so careful about chalking. Looking at the tip and making sure then look again.

Maybe I just had a real bad day on Sat.

 

[Egg McDogit]

captain - you might want to spend some more time breaking in the tip..

It was the Moori slow or soft that I was miss cueing with. The medium I didn’t like that it was so much trouble keeping chalk on it.

As a matter of fact I wrote on here a few weeks ago that I had my biggest win ever last month and that was with the Moori medium on. Only I’m surprised that I wasn’t condemned for slow play because between every shot I had to be so careful about chalking. Looking at the tip and making sure then look again.

Maybe I just had a real bad day on Sat.

 

[justharv]

I had the same problem with the Moori Mediums.They were the cat's meow for a couple of weeks, great feel and control. Then came the miscues; I am sure that it was either in my stroke or how I conditioned the tip. Had a new one put on the cue anyway and the same thing happened after a few weeks. Got a Triangle now and love it.

 

[Gregg]

It was the Moori slow or soft that I was miss cueing with.

For a guy who really prefers a hard tip, shooting with the Morri III soft tip I waslike having a pillow on the end of my cue. Way way to soft for me, and I don't know how people feel the tip grips/spins the cue ball more. Not for me anyway. I think I subconscious kept shaping and reshaping the tip trying to wear in down so that I could go and get something else. The soft tip kind of did that for me. I think I had to reshape the tip almost after an hour and half of practice time.

I think you get the idea I really didn't like my Morri III soft tip.

 

[Flex]

I had the same problem with the Moori Mediums.They were the cat's meow for a couple of weeks, great feel and control. Then came the miscues; I am sure that it was either in my stroke or how I conditioned the tip. Had a new one put on the cue anyway and the same thing happened after a few weeks.

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Been my experience too. They play great for a good while and then the miscues. So out comes a scuffer which ends up altering a bit how the tip plays for a while. My personal favorite for all around use is the Talisman Pro Medium Pigskin. Once it's shaped, I pound the tip with a cue ball over and over to shape it (maybe 100-150 times) and get it to the point where it'd be if I'd shot with it for a few days. Then I chalk it up and almost never have to reshape it, just chalk it. Works for me.

Flex

 

[Ronoh]

CaptainJR, to you have one of these? Tip Pick

Over the years, I've come to the conclusion that certain types of tips need different styles of care when dressing it up.

 

[CaptainJR]

Thank you for all the replies. After reading here and thinking, I've decided that I just stunk that day. I don't really know what was wrong with my stroke, but what ever it was it was gone the next day. Maybe if I don't try to figure it out, it won't come back.

For now I'm going to stick with the ElkMaster. It is what I'm use to. At some point I want to try the Moori medium again. Maybe over the summer when pool slows down a little.

Thanks again for the replies.
JR

 

[The Hamster]

Been my experience too. They play great for a good while and then the miscues. So out comes a scuffer which ends up altering a bit how the tip plays for a while.

My experience (and I now have Moori mediums on 6 of my cues) is that once initially shaped, a 'real' Moori stays that way, doesn't need scuffing, chalks just fine, and doesn't mushroom. I have ones that are worn down to 1/8 of an inch, brand new ones, and everything in-between and I never miscue with any of them unless I do something really dumb.

Before I switched to Mooris I tried hard WB (still on a break cue), Talisman, Instroke (11 layer), Sniper (delaminated), Tiger, Triumph, Le Pro, ElkMaster... etc. so it's not like I didn't experiment. The Mooris are consistently the best quality and I like the feel.

I think the OP just had a bad night... wonder what he was drinking

 

[kokopuffs]

Try a Le Pro tip. It's a medium tip (I know I know that some may disagree but SO WHAT). It's a tip that lasts longer than an Elk Master, gives equally good draw and requires less maintenance than the EM but will mushroom a bit. Also as it wears down it may feel slightly harder upon cueball contact, an attribute that I myself like.