Sleepers

[Cannonball55]

Just like to get the opinion of everyone here. I honestly feel that a case could be made for it as well as against it. I try to get an agreement on this (either way) with whomever i'm playing before the coin flip so that there won't be any problems.

I think most players don't play sleepers to a fault.

I've seen this happen before: Player A fouls, he doesn't have any balls made in his hole yet, puts up his coin, Player B shoots, then Player A is back at the table and pockets a few balls, then player B again and they trade several innings, as normal in 1 hole, both making balls. Then during a run, Player B pockets a ball but loses his rock in the process, kissing off a ball and scratching in the side. As he's spotting up his two balls he looks a bit puzzled. Then he looks at the table and see the penny on player B side and it just dawned on him finally. He says "Hey, you forgot to spot your ball" and Player B says something like "Well, that's too bad. You know the rules man, you snooze you lose".

Whose right and whose wrong here? I know everyone in here has at one time or another, either intenionally or unitentionally, failed to spot an owed ball. Just like it is your job to remember to move your coin (or bead on the wire) when you win. It is the other guy's job to not snooze your fouls. It is also the other guy's job to call a froze ball as well as a bad hit so forth and so on.

What say you?

 

[Masta Cruz]

Forgetting to spot owed balls is a pretty common occurrence with myself and players I know, not as much when playing for money though since more focus is applied by both players when there's something on the game. Either way everyone I've come into contact with goes by the rule that balls owed that were forgotten, must be spotted once either player remembers. Of course this doesn't stretch into the next game, this applies to the current game being played. Just because someone forgot to spot one they owe, intentional or not, isn't supposed to mean that they're off the hook I believe.

Now once remembered, it must be spotted at the end of the current player's inning at the table. this way there isnt any changes to the layout while the player is about to play a shot and he can prepare for the owed ball to come up when his turn is over.

I may have worded it wrong, here's an excerpt from the onepocket.org website rule page:

9.4 If any owed balls, or balls that have fallen into a neutral pocket are forgotten and later remembered, then instead of being spotted after the current shooter’s inning, they are spotted after the end of the next player’s inning, unless there are no balls left on the table, in which case they are all spotted immediately. In any case, any owed balls are not forgiven, but still must be paid.

In practice, forgotten balls may be spotted at any time after they are remembered, as long as both players agree on the timing; if either player objects to an earlier spotting, then rule 9.4 should be followed.

Please note that playing ‘snooze you lose’ is the rare exception in house rules; it is by no means the standard rule, and it should only be accepted when it is clearly and mutually agreed on by both players before play begins.

here's the full rule page I found:

http://www.onepocket.org/one_pocket_pool_rules.htm

 

[336Robin]

Forgetting to spot owed balls is a pretty common occurrence with myself and players I know, not as much when playing for money though since more focus is applied by both players when there's something on the game. Either way everyone I've come into contact with goes by the rule that balls owed that were forgotten, must be spotted once either player remembers. Of course this doesn't stretch into the next game, this applies to the current game being played. Just because someone forgot to spot one they owe, intentional or not, isn't supposed to mean that they're off the hook I believe.

Now once remembered, it must be spotted at the end of the current player's inning at the table. this way there isnt any changes to the layout while the player is about to play a shot and he can prepare for the owed ball to come up when his turn is over.

I may have worded it wrong, here's an excerpt from the onepocket.org website rule page:

9.4 If any owed balls, or balls that have fallen into a neutral pocket are forgotten and later remembered, then instead of being spotted after the current shooter’s inning, they are spotted after the end of the next player’s inning, unless there are no balls left on the table, in which case they are all spotted immediately. In any case, any owed balls are not forgiven, but still must be paid.

In practice, forgotten balls may be spotted at any time after they are remembered, as long as both players agree on the timing; if either player objects to an earlier spotting, then rule 9.4 should be followed.

Please note that playing ‘snooze you lose’ is the rare exception in house rules; it is by no means the standard rule, and it should only be accepted when it is clearly and mutually agreed on by both players before play begins.

here's the full rule page I found:

http://www.onepocket.org/one_pocket_pool_rules.htm

My attitude about sleepers is well Im playing on my own money therefore there is no attitude from another player Im willing to put up with because its a gentlemans game. So spot up your sleeper or its time for me go find someone else a tad nicer to sparr with. Yes I missed the fact that you are trying me, I snoozed that inning but there is a much bigger principle here. Youre saying youre willing to divert my attention, push me to make you follow the rules and take my money, na dont have time for that. Go find someone at the playground and take his lunch money if thats what you want to do.

336Robin
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[Cannonball55]

Forgetting to spot owed balls is a pretty common occurrence with myself and players I know, not as much when playing for money though since more focus is applied by both players when there's something on the game. Either way everyone I've come into contact with goes by the rule that balls owed that were forgotten, must be spotted once either player remembers. Of course this doesn't stretch into the next game, this applies to the current game being played. Just because someone forgot to spot one they owe, intentional or not, isn't supposed to mean that they're off the hook I believe.

Now once remembered, it must be spotted at the end of the current player's inning at the table. this way there isnt any changes to the layout while the player is about to play a shot and he can prepare for the owed ball to come up when his turn is over.

I may have worded it wrong, here's an excerpt from the onepocket.org website rule page:

9.4 If any owed balls, or balls that have fallen into a neutral pocket are forgotten and later remembered, then instead of being spotted after the current shooter’s inning, they are spotted after the end of the next player’s inning, unless there are no balls left on the table, in which case they are all spotted immediately. In any case, any owed balls are not forgiven, but still must be paid.

In practice, forgotten balls may be spotted at any time after they are remembered, as long as both players agree on the timing; if either player objects to an earlier spotting, then rule 9.4 should be followed.

Please note that playing ‘snooze you lose’ is the rare exception in house rules; it is by no means the standard rule, and it should only be accepted when it is clearly and mutually agreed on by both players before play begins.

here's the full rule page I found:

http://www.onepocket.org/one_pocket_pool_rules.htm

Thanks for the link, onepocket.org is a great site, wealth of knowledge.