Some interesting situations during NCS

Steve Lipsky

On quest for perfect 14.1
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Pat was kind enough to post the videos of the matches from last weekend. Here are some interesting situations which came up:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1917550

The middle of this game, when we're both at about 90 or so, is marred by some misses and lots of safety play. Other than that, not a terrible game.

00:09:45
One of my faves. It's funny, the commentators thought I missed position, but I was obviously playing for this. Sadly, I only came away with a combination afterwards, which I missed :(.


00:43:20
The simple and controlled bump of this 2 ball clears everything. It's not a random break of a cluster... I was pretty happy to have seen this shot and to hit it with enough speed to clear it, correctly, over to the side rail.


00:44:45
They seem to think I make a mistake with the end pattern here, but I disagree. I think more precision is necessary their way. What do you guys think?


01:36:00
An interesting sequence. I notice that the 14 ball is dead, but I can't get to it. I play what I consider to be a smart intentional, but he hits me with a great return. When he leaves me in the pocket at about 1:39:30, I know I have no choice but to play the kick, but I might as well put him on a foul first. There's nowhere he can leave me that is worse than where I am now, so it really is free. Additionally, I'm putting myself on two fouls, which is actually better than if I'm only on one. If I kick and somehow foul, Matty won't get the open rack - I'll have to rebreak.


01:43:40
I make a mistake here. I saw it, but chickened out. I deserved what I got. I should've played the 11, drew back slightly, then the 3. The 3 is an easy cut to judge and go two rails back and forth for perfect break shot position. But as I said, I chickened out, and got what I deserved. I was really sick about this error.


01:58:50
For some reason, a few people (including sort of the commentators) seemed to think the shot I played was creative. I don't know, seemed kind of obvious to me lol, and comes up a lot. But I figured I'd pass it on in case someone hadn't seen it before.


02:06:00
I play a nice unconventional safety here, almost forcing him to leave me a shot.


02:10:50
I start a bit of a run here; I think it's a 59. It ends pitifully lol.


02:41:00
I guess an exciting finish. Btw, looks like the match was almost three hours. Ugh.



http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/1915978
01:50:00

In my loss to Dan Louie, this end pattern sequence came up as well. It didn't end in my favor, but I was happy to see it and play successfully for it, considering what I had to work with. The 2 ball was not laying right for a more conventional break shot from that end of the table, but in the absence of anything else, it can work. You just have to be a bit creative in getting there.

I certainly knew about the potential scratch. But I was coming back in the match, and knew that if I hit the top two balls and exploded the rack, it could be a game-changer. I risked it. Normally I'd consider going two rails with inside english, but I just didn't know the table well enough to guarantee I'd hit the rack. I also wouldn't be able to hit the rack that hard like that, and the tables were breaking a bit tough.

Finally, I'll mention that after the game, I set the shot up again. Pat Fleming and I realized what I should have done. As soon as I did it (by accident), I knew. Still use the low, but also add right, and hit the right side rail, the short rail, and finally, into the bottom of the rack. This would allow me to hit the ball very hard, and still have a very predictable path. I definitely learned something.

Also, I just want to thank John Bender, who has so far gone unmentioned in these threads. He did an excellent job of commentating over two brutally long days.

- Steve
 
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Thanks for the informative post Steve! This was such a great tournament I was literally riveted to my computer for two days straight watching the matches. (My wife had to separate me from the machine with a crowbar.)

I learned a few things from these matches. I didn't know the rule about leaving the last ball in the kitchen and the cueball in the rack -- although this didn't turn out great for you it could have been huge had you not scratched.

I also wouldn't have thought of scratching in the corner when you had ball in hand in the other match. (I think this was the 1:58:50 shot.) But is this necessarily better than banking the ball downtable and back to the head rail?

For the end pattern at 44:45 I think the commentators realized and I agree that as a lefty the way you played it was correct, leaving the cueball farther uptable. The other pattern would have been tough to reach, right?
 
I also wouldn't have thought of scratching in the corner when you had ball in hand in the other match. (I think this was the 1:58:50 shot.) But is this necessarily better than banking the ball downtable and back to the head rail?

Thanks for the reply Theo. I think that kicking the cueball downtable below the cluster leaves Matt some options on thinning the rack, and leaving me way uptable again. Depending on how well he thins the rack, he may not even leave me a tough shot - I may just be back to a position of having to play safe off those loose balls (the 5 and 11). I think the advantage of making him hit the cluster and play a legal safe outweighs the kick option. As it turned out, he made a great reply and ended up winning the safe battle.

For the end pattern at 44:45 I think the commentators realized and I agree that as a lefty the way you played it was correct, leaving the cueball farther uptable. The other pattern would have been tough to reach, right?

Though the lefty thing is true, I still sort of disagree with them on principle. I think playing the 10-6-2 takes more precision (for very little improvement in the final position) than does the 2-10-6. If the 6 was a direct stop-shot to the 2, I'd consider that option. But it's not - you need to make a fairly precise hit on the 6 to get good on the 2. In looking at the overhead shot at exactly 44:47, I think it becomes more obvious which way is safer.

In my experience I've found that key balls which are close to the break ball are usually not as good as they appear. You have to get better on them than you think. Just my opinion...

- Steve
 
What I meant to ask was, why not bank the cueball to the foot rail and back up to the head rail, possibly leaving it near one of the upper corner pockets? Wouldn't it be preferable to pick a spot uptable to leave him and lag the cueball there, as opposed to giving him ball in the hand?

Also, one of the points that Pat made repeatedly throughout the tournament was that side pocket key balls are not always the best option -- would you agree with this principle (although not in this case)? I think I always instinctively look for a key ball near the side pocket for a standard break shot, so I was surprised he said this.
 
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Pat was kind enough to post the videos of the matches from last weekend. Here are some interesting situations which came up:

[ The videos will play for only 1.5 minutues and then return to the start. Any suggestions?

~Rick
 
Hi Rick,

I just noticed this effect myself when I tried to watch the video from the beginning. If you click into the timeline a little it seems to play fine though.

Theo
 
What I meant to ask was, why not bank the cueball to the foot rail and back up to the head rail, possibly leaving it near one of the upper corner pockets? Wouldn't it be preferable to pick a spot uptable to leave him and lag the cueball there, as opposed to giving him ball in the hand?

Well, if I do that, then the two open balls behind the line become available to him (i.e., he can shoot straight at them). By actually scratching in the pocket, I put him into the same position as I was in - those balls are not available to him, and therefore he must shoot into the cluster.

Also, one of the points that Pat made repeatedly throughout the tournament was that side pocket key balls are not always the best option -- would you agree with this principle (although not in this case)? I think I always instinctively look for a key ball near the side pocket for a standard break shot, so I was surprised he said this.

I think it's very situational, to be honest. In the below diagram, I wouldn't even think about playing the 1-2-6 or the 1-6-2. Starting with the 1 in my opinion is a disaster. And that's even considering that both the 6 and 2 are valid break balls, so you should theoretically have lots of options no matter where you land. In reality, you don't. There are plenty of places your cueball can stop which will leave you in a tough spot.

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But in the below diagram, I'd play the side pocket shot first. A stop shot on it leaves me in very good position to play the 5 next and draw back to land perfect on the break shot.

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I don't think it's really about using any one rule; it's just about choosing the pattern which allows for the most error, while keeping fairly tight breakshots.

- Steve
 
I love your insight on how and why you ran the balls the way you did. A great learning experinece for me.
Thanks,
Andy
 
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