Three cushion rant

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I'm a newbie and this is my first post. Used to play a lot of 3 cushion when I was a kid and every pool room had at least one carom table. Not so any longer sorry to say. I live in so. Florida and No. Va. and between the two I found just two carom tables both a one hour drive from where I live. Now all I here is, "nobody plays". Of course, its hard to play when there are no tables around. And I understand the business owner, they want to maximize profit. That said, can any 3 cushion players out there tell me if the powers that be are doing anything to grow the game of 3 cushion? I raised this issue about 7 years ago and got nowhere and it seems like nothing has changed since then. Rant over and thanks for listening.
 
Lack of interest in billiards causes rooms to eliminate billiards tables which in turn lowers interest in billiards even more.

It is to the point that rooms with just a single table couldn't justify the space taken for the table versus what the table brought in.

Make more money putting in a couple bar boxes, or darts or anything else.


Factor in that humanity is more worthless and lazy than ever. Any kind of high skill game or thinking game, that is - anything which requires too much initial investment in time and effort to get to a point where the game is playable is no longer interesting. People like easy, quick to learn games these days. Short attention span stuff. Feel-good games that provide satisfaction quickly. This is why 14.1 and One-Pocket are niche today. This is why poker is so popular compared to better, more interesting and skilled card games. It goes on and on.


A beginner is more effective and functional on a pocket billiards table than a billiards table particularly 3-cushion. A beginner can start pocketing balls reasonably early, and if they miss, balls can sit in front of pockets so that a game can progress to completion.

What happens when you miss a 3-cushion shot? It's never automatic on the next shot. No matter what you do, your misses and actions on the table are not setting anything up to be easier the next time. Unless it is by random chance (only the high skilled players play position to setup routine pattern shots on subsequent points).


Billiards is highly deceptive. It looks so easy, much easier than pool. But in reality, requires much more precision. A superior stroke. More power and purity in a stroke. It requires more creativity, and the ability to perceptualize the shots, a skill or trait many people lack and never achieve. Most intermediate pool players have a deficient multi-rail kicking game...good luck on a billiards table.


Just collect a bunch of APA 2's and 3's (bangers) and have them have at it at 3 cushion. You might die of old age before you see a point scored. These are league grade players, better than your casual Friday / Saturday night customers, and they can barely draw a cue ball or not at all. Billiards isn't kind to those who can't hold a cue straight.


Billiards tables also require better maintenance. All these hack mechanics that exist out there are not qualified to setup a billiards table judging by how they mutilate pool tables. Billiard tables suffer worse from not being level, not having properly stretched cloth, not having properly installed cushions and need to be heated....otherwise it ruins the whole game. Unlike pool where a roll here and there isn't a big deal. Pool tables can still be playable when setup bad. Billiard tables are pointless when flawed.


All of these factors works against billiards. Thus, it will continue to be more and more niche.
 
5 3 cushion tables in three different rooms within an hours ride of my home. They are constantly in use.
The problem is that they are in use by the same players. Nobody has interest in learning the nuances of the game. Players say it's too difficult, too much to think about. It really is a shame. Beautiful game. I love the game.
It improves your pool playing to my way of thinking.
 
Factor in that humanity is more worthless and lazy than ever. Any kind of high skill game or thinking game, that is - anything which requires too much initial investment in time and effort to get to a point where the game is playable is no longer interesting. People like easy, quick to learn games these days. Short attention span stuff. Feel-good games that provide satisfaction quickly. This is why 14.1 and One-Pocket are niche today. This is why poker is so popular compared to better, more interesting and skilled card games. It goes on and on.


It takes judgement, brains, and maturity to score in any balkline game, I say that any boob kin take and shove a ball in a pocket. And they call that sloth.




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In Syracuse we have the only billiards table in town. That said it is our busiest table. We started with a core of billiards players, mostly old timers. Lately several of our younger lifelong pool players have taken up the game. We are gambling low stakes on it too. I started a 3 cushion league where each week players match up with another player in a handicapped best of 3 race. We are overhauling the table with a new heating system and cloth. It is a game worth saving like pool itself.

We recently added a premium slate top bumper pool table. We have had a lot of action on it as well. Shane Van Boening said he'd never played bumper pool,in his life. He and Billy Thorpe played for 90 minutes earlier this month.

I think it's important to have a variety of tables in the room for all sorts of games.
 

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A beginner is more effective and functional on a pocket billiards table than a billiards table particularly 3-cushion. A beginner can start pocketing balls reasonably early, and if they miss, balls can sit in front of pockets so that a game can progress to completion.

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1) never start a beginner on 3 cushion. Straight rail is the way to start, then 1 cushion.

2) English Billiards on a snooker table is also a great place to start. Has elements of pool (pocketing balls) and straight rail. Points are much easier to score.
 
I don't know of a pool room with a bumper pool table anymore and we used to play it all the time 25 years ago.

Billiard tables are non-existent here as well.

I've started playing Cowboy lately.
 
I'm a newbie and this is my first post. Used to play a lot of 3 cushion when I was a kid and every pool room had at least one carom table. Not so any longer sorry to say. I live in so. Florida and No. Va. and between the two I found just two carom tables both a one hour drive from where I live. Now all I here is, "nobody plays". Of course, its hard to play when there are no tables around. And I understand the business owner, they want to maximize profit. That said, can any 3 cushion players out there tell me if the powers that be are doing anything to grow the game of 3 cushion? I raised this issue about 7 years ago and got nowhere and it seems like nothing has changed since then. Rant over and thanks for listening.

do you have space for a home table? best option imo

old farts game nowadays, no room owner wants those things
 
do you have space for a home table? best option imo

old farts game nowadays, no room owner wants those things
Really? Go to RaytownRec and Shooter's in KansasCity or Cue-n-Cushion in St.Louis All have 3c tables and they are in use pretty much non-stop. I totally agree its a niche game but rooms that have them have them for a reason. A lot more carom guys out there than you might think.
 
I'm a newbie and this is my first post. Used to play a lot of 3 cushion when I was a kid and every pool room had at least one carom table. Not so any longer sorry to say. I live in so. Florida and No. Va. and between the two I found just two carom tables both a one hour drive from where I live. Now all I here is, "nobody plays". Of course, its hard to play when there are no tables around. And I understand the business owner, they want to maximize profit. That said, can any 3 cushion players out there tell me if the powers that be are doing anything to grow the game of 3 cushion? I raised this issue about 7 years ago and got nowhere and it seems like nothing has changed since then. Rant over and thanks for listening.


3c is doing well/better in the usa
last 4 or 5 yrs the usba national tournament has been held at the casino del sol in arizonza, 60 something players,

as well as a national b player tournament, up to 64 players each yr same venue

a billionaire has created the biggest payout in any pool/billiard event ever
called the mccreery champion of champions, held in his private mansion in new york, live streamed for free
only a 12 player field of the worlds best 3 cushion players, hand picked
played for a total prize of 650k last yr, and the top pay was 150k
its planned for 2020 in the same place

http://www.mccreerychampionofchampions.com/



here is the final match so you get a feel of how the tournament went, and looked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VO8HjLz_eo
 
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A beginner is more effective and functional on a pocket billiards table than a billiards table particularly 3-cushion. A beginner can start pocketing balls reasonably early, and if they miss, balls can sit in front of pockets so that a game can progress to completion.

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1) never start a beginner on 3 cushion. Straight rail is the way to start, then 1 cushion.

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yes indeed, check this out, from willie hoppe
 

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Lack of interest in billiards causes rooms to eliminate billiards tables which in turn lowers interest in billiards even more.

It is to the point that rooms with just a single table couldn't justify the space taken for the table versus what the table brought in.

Make more money putting in a couple bar boxes, or darts or anything else.


Factor in that humanity is more worthless and lazy than ever. Any kind of high skill game or thinking game, that is - anything which requires too much initial investment in time and effort to get to a point where the game is playable is no longer interesting. People like easy, quick to learn games these days. Short attention span stuff. Feel-good games that provide satisfaction quickly. This is why 14.1 and One-Pocket are niche today. This is why poker is so popular compared to better, more interesting and skilled card games. It goes on and on.


A beginner is more effective and functional on a pocket billiards table than a billiards table particularly 3-cushion. A beginner can start pocketing balls reasonably early, and if they miss, balls can sit in front of pockets so that a game can progress to completion.

What happens when you miss a 3-cushion shot? It's never automatic on the next shot. No matter what you do, your misses and actions on the table are not setting anything up to be easier the next time. Unless it is by random chance (only the high skilled players play position to setup routine pattern shots on subsequent points).


Billiards is highly deceptive. It looks so easy, much easier than pool. But in reality, requires much more precision. A superior stroke. More power and purity in a stroke. It requires more creativity, and the ability to perceptualize the shots, a skill or trait many people lack and never achieve. Most intermediate pool players have a deficient multi-rail kicking game...good luck on a billiards table.


Just collect a bunch of APA 2's and 3's (bangers) and have them have at it at 3 cushion. You might die of old age before you see a point scored. These are league grade players, better than your casual Friday / Saturday night customers, and they can barely draw a cue ball or not at all. Billiards isn't kind to those who can't hold a cue straight.


Billiards tables also require better maintenance. All these hack mechanics that exist out there are not qualified to setup a billiards table judging by how they mutilate pool tables. Billiard tables suffer worse from not being level, not having properly stretched cloth, not having properly installed cushions and need to be heated....otherwise it ruins the whole game. Unlike pool where a roll here and there isn't a big deal. Pool tables can still be playable when setup bad. Billiard tables are pointless when flawed.


All of these factors works against billiards. Thus, it will continue to be more and more niche.



this shit right here is a HUGE reason what wrong with the game in america

people think, ohh it dont hold the spin for 16 rails, its not heated then you cant play 3c with your diamond system

omg the table sucks, cant play with none dotted balls
cant play on unheated tables, or 9ft tables even

you can play other carom games than 3c

oh but those are too boring, same crap MANY pool players same about 1pkt and 14.1


why can pool players play on less than tournament level equipment but not carom?
its just stupid




anything which requires too much initial investment

that too, there are many tables available that do not cost 10k dollars that are of quality make
 
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i garuntee you get people playing 3c on 8ft tables they will love it
straight rail even
they dont gotta be afficianados to have fun

make it fun/easier more people will play, the more it will grow
 
i garuntee you get people playing 3c on 8ft tables they will love it
straight rail even
they dont gotta be afficianados to have fun

make it fun/easier more people will play, the more it will grow

Could be like the APA....on tiny tables, maybe use bigger balls.

Probably best to have it like it is.
 
Could be like the APA....on tiny tables, maybe use bigger balls.

Probably best to have it like it is.

in europe south america and asia, where they have world elite players much better than us here

they play on smaller tables, and have much larger amounts of people playing


i could not disagree with you more
 
in europe south america and asia, where they have world elite players much better than us here

they play on smaller tables, and have much larger amounts of people playing


i could not disagree with you more

Yeah im just busting on you,

On an 8 footer I'd be a beast.

All this saving pool stuff is great. I own a room so I'm with you. Just the reality of our culture here .... Prospects for real growth are slim.
 
Yeah im just busting on you,

On an 8 footer I'd be a beast.

All this saving pool stuff is great. I own a room so I'm with you. Just the reality of our culture here .... Prospects for real growth are slim.

i dont remember giving you a greenie before, but since i cant before spreading around some more

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in europe south america and asia, where they have world elite players much better than us here

they play on smaller tables, and have much larger amounts of people playing


i could not disagree with you more

Yeah im just busting on you,

On an 8 footer I'd be a beast.

All this saving pool stuff is great. I own a room so I'm with you. Just the reality of our culture here .... Prospects for real growth are slim. We have to accept our game for what it is....a fringe sport.
 
it is, but i still will continue to expose it to those who like myself would have never seen it other wise

who also like me, may completely change sides
 
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