Tip installation

raemondo

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Hi guys,

I'm just wondering, is the installation of a Triangle tip no different from that of say, a Lepro tip?

Then what makes the installation of a Moori tip different? My local tipper said that she didn't have the equipment necessary to tip a Moori...I'm assuming she doesn't mean that she doesn't have any Moori tips.
 
I put them on basically the same way.


On the moori, would It be possible that they're using hand tools of some kind to put the tips on? I use a lathe, but have heard some say that they've had problems with some laminated tips, and hand tools causing delamination issues.
 
Cue Crazy said:
I put them on basically the same way.


On the moori, would It be possible that they're using hand tools of some kind to put the tips on? I use a lathe, but have heard some say that they've had problems with some laminated tips, and hand tools causing delamination issues.


Okay I'm not sure what a lathe is, but I don't think she uses hand tools. What does delamination refer to? The one she uses is a Williard Tip Replacement System. I found a picture of this on:

http://www.seyberts.com/cue_accessories/tiptools/index.htm

Personally, I don't think that there should be a difference either, it's just something that she said that's why it stuck in my head. As far as I know, moori installations have been more expensive just because the tips themselves are more expensive.
 
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titlistsucker said:
i dont understand why wuld it be any different? i do tips myself.


Raist, what kind of equipment do you use? Is there like a cheap tool set I could get? I'm thinking of trying on different tips for my cue....I'm tired of people saying, this is better, that is better, etc.
 
raemondo said:
Okay I'm not sure what a lathe is, but I don't think she uses hand tools. What does delamination refer to? The one she uses is a Williard Tip Replacement System. I found a picture of this on:

http://www.seyberts.com/cue_accessories/tiptools/index.htm

Personally, I don't think that there should be a difference either, it's just something that she said that's why it stuck in my head. As far as I know, moori installations have been more expensive just because the tips themselves are more expensive.


A lathe is a machine tool commonly adapted for cue work. Moori tips are made from several layers pressed and glued together, these layers are also considered laminations. What can happen is some tools can cause these laminations to come apart thus the meaning behind delamination.

The willard for the most part is a hand tipping tool, but have no idea if It is the same tool used that had issues. I use to use hand tools years ago, and sometimes that could happen with laminated tips, but I could still use them successfully just the same.

Moori tips are more expensive then most tips, and yes that is reflected in price, as they have come down in price I have dropped the prices for installation.
 
Cue Crazy said:
A lathe is a machine tool commonly adapted for cue work. Moori tips are made from several layers pressed and glued together, these layers are also considered laminations. What can happen is some tools can cause these laminations to come apart thus the meaning behind delamination.

The willard for the most part is a hand tipping tool, but have no idea if It is the same tool used that had issues. I use to use hand tools years ago, and sometimes that could happen with laminated tips, but I could still use them successfully just the same.

Moori tips are more expensive then most tips, and yes that is reflected in price, as they have come down in price I have dropped the prices for installation.


I really appreciate the reply and the explanation.

So it does seem that she might be right afterall....her equipment may not be the best suited to tipping Moori tips. And okay now I understand that the Williard is considered a hand tipping tool....I didn't know you can use machines to re tip cues these days.

What kind of economical equipment might I be able to purchase if I'd want to tip tips myself? The williard to me is not economical at all. I'm thinking that all I need is a williard dime shaper and ultimate tip tool (which I have), a pocket knife, a tip clamp and good glue. Kindly tell me whether I'm wrong or not. As I can visualize it, the toughest part will be to cut the 14mm tip down to my 13mm diameter, which is what I believe the williard to be able to do.

It may seem that I want a Moori installed, but I really want a Triangle. I have found that this plays better than the Moori Med 2nd gen I tried. The mooris I've tried were just inconsistent in their playability, so I've decided to move on with something harder and firmer.

thanks!
 
raemondo said:
I really appreciate the reply and the explanation.

So it does seem that she might be right afterall....her equipment may not be the best suited to tipping Moori tips. And okay now I understand that the Williard is considered a hand tipping tool....I didn't know you can use machines to re tip cues these days.

What kind of economical equipment might I be able to purchase if I'd want to tip tips myself? The williard to me is not economical at all. I'm thinking that all I need is a williard dime shaper and ultimate tip tool (which I have), a pocket knife, a tip clamp and good glue. Kindly tell me whether I'm wrong or not. As I can visualize it, the toughest part will be to cut the 14mm tip down to my 13mm diameter, which is what I believe the williard to be able to do.

It may seem that I want a Moori installed, but I really want a Triangle. I have found that this plays better than the Moori Med 2nd gen I tried. The mooris I've tried were just inconsistent in their playability, so I've decided to move on with something harder and firmer.

thanks!


Well nothing beats a lathe setup for cue work in My opinion, but as I mentioned I have hand tipped many years ago. I just used one of those porper big shavers I believe they are called, and a taylor tenon machine for ferrules, but I also had a wood lathe, so that helped out some. I sold that stuff about a year ago, because I no longer needed them and they had just been sitting around collecting dust. I had a clamp, ultimate tip tool, and several other type shavers, so there was quite a collection of things I used all together. some of them will pop the tips off or cause the delamination if not carefull. It's been a while since I've used them, and my memory is not the best, so someone else currently using the stuff may be more qualified then me for advice on hand tipping.

The mooris I'm putting on now are third generation. Alot of people have found one that works well for them, but some others bounce around between hardness levels until they find the one they like. I use the quick/hard myself, and it works well for me, but some people feel they miscue too much with them that hard, and go for the medium or softs. I have a medium on another shaft, but seem to like the hard better, It's been on My shaft for well over a year now, as I don't use anything to rough or shape them, and I believe It was a second generation. I just trim the edges up If they need It, which I usualy only have to do once if at all. I've had pretty decent consistentcy with mine, and can run a few with It, but I have My bad nights just like anyone else, altough when that happens no tip is going to help ;) :D the hards are definatly not for everyone though, and even with Me, If i'm having a night where I'm picking up a hesitation in my stroke the tip can be unforgiving.
 
raemondo said:
Raist, what kind of equipment do you use? Is there like a cheap tool set I could get? I'm thinking of trying on different tips for my cue....I'm tired of people saying, this is better, that is better, etc.

I learn putting on tips in my snooker playing days when i was 14 years old. When i was 17 i spend 8 months working at a new poolhall cum snookerium that had 38 snooker tables, and 12 pool tables. needless to say, that was where i horne my tip putting skill haha. i just used a good swiss army knife(the pen knife is useless), and a good epoxy (the superglue will create a mess!), and lots of patience. u could buff the ends when they are done with a crisp dollar note, and the tip IMO looks good enuff.
i think Joe Porper has a few aparatus that helps in putting tips, without investing in a mini lathe.. check his site ..

http://www.porper.com/index.cfm/fus...d3e7e7c9c-5EDD32AB-20ED-7D0A-C054BC93C4E3A55F

Of course the best work is done with a lathe, its the fastest, and had the best results. i just didnt get tips done by cuemakers as u know we simply dont have anyone here in singapore to do the job for quite a while..

i think the ger puttting ur tip wasnt sure about what to do as she probably had no experience putting tips other than triangles and stuff. So she bought some "insurance" so to speak ...
 
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I have a friend who uses the willard and has been using it for years doing all sorts of leather and layered tips. I use an old cuesmith repair lathe that works great. A friend of mine use to do them by hand but it is a lot more work, the lathe comes in handy with facing and cleaning your ferrule surface etc.
 
I have used a Willards Machine daily here at my pool room for regular and laminated tips, I use it before I finish them on my converted wood lathe.

I just make sure I have sharp blades installed. No problems yet.
 
highrun55 said:
I have used a Willards Machine daily here at my pool room for regular and laminated tips, I use it before I finish them on my converted wood lathe.

I just make sure I have sharp blades installed. No problems yet.

That's basically what I did for years, except I could'nt bring Myself to fork out the cash for a willards at the time, because I was trying to save for a decent lathe, so delt with the big shaver & the taylor tenon machine. The taylor takes some getting use to, but not only did it do ferrules, but made It easier to take the bulk of the side of the tip down. that worked pretty well, but as you mentioned keeping a sharp blade on the big shaver was key especially on laminated tips. The blades that came with It, were simular to the business end of a chisal, and could be sharpened with a good wetstone. I had a couple of extra's, so I could always have an extra while sharpening another. That wood lathe sure came in pretty handy also, especially for cleaning finishing. I rarely even use it anymore though. Even have 2 more wood lathes I never even bothered putting together yet. Keep telling Myself I'm going to set them up for spraying and wetsanding one of of these days:rolleyes: :p :D
 
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