Tournament Software
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about 128 players, but 64 players is handled by InGen tournaemnt software version 2.2. You can download InGen 2.2, and run up to 5 tournaments free to see how it works.
It used to be $40, which is a bargain.
You might want to bookmark it.
http://www.ingenlab.com/billiard/ingpool.html
about 128 players, but 64 players is handled by InGen tournaemnt software version 2.2. You can download InGen 2.2, and run up to 5 tournaments free to see how it works.
It used to be $40, which is a bargain.
You might want to bookmark it.
http://www.ingenlab.com/billiard/ingpool.html
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Mike ... I believe 128 players is the most handled by any software currently. The problem becomes being able to display all the information properly on a monitor, and still be able to read it. 256 would cause multiple pages display, and that gets involved in programming.
What a friend of mine used to do with Tournament Manager 1.0 which handles up to 32 players, he used to run 2 32 player tournaments for a 64 player event, and then combine them when the tournament got down to 32 players.
The same could be done with InGenPool for 64 players. Run 2 64 players tournaments, and combine when 64 players were left.
You could do the same with 128 player software.
Also 128 and up is real hard to get on a printed page without having to transfer the file to Kinkos for enlarging and printing on real big paper.
Now for the good part, I can write something to do it, BUT I would have to do it in Access database along with Excel, Word, and other MS Office programs. I have Windows XP Pro. I also have the ability to create a HTML file (Hyper Text Markup Language) which can be uploaded to a website, but I would need a FTP transfer program.
This would be quite a bit of work, and it is my profession, and I would not do it for free, but I can do it. I also have a HP Deskjet 1220C printer, a wide carriage printer which can print up to 13" x 19" paper.
MikeJanis said:
Mike ... I believe 128 players is the most handled by any software currently. The problem becomes being able to display all the information properly on a monitor, and still be able to read it. 256 would cause multiple pages display, and that gets involved in programming.
What a friend of mine used to do with Tournament Manager 1.0 which handles up to 32 players, he used to run 2 32 player tournaments for a 64 player event, and then combine them when the tournament got down to 32 players.
The same could be done with InGenPool for 64 players. Run 2 64 players tournaments, and combine when 64 players were left.
You could do the same with 128 player software.
Also 128 and up is real hard to get on a printed page without having to transfer the file to Kinkos for enlarging and printing on real big paper.
Now for the good part, I can write something to do it, BUT I would have to do it in Access database along with Excel, Word, and other MS Office programs. I have Windows XP Pro. I also have the ability to create a HTML file (Hyper Text Markup Language) which can be uploaded to a website, but I would need a FTP transfer program.
This would be quite a bit of work, and it is my profession, and I would not do it for free, but I can do it. I also have a HP Deskjet 1220C printer, a wide carriage printer which can print up to 13" x 19" paper.
Here is
128 tournament software, but it is geared as generic for any sport, and not specifically for Billiards. Has nice features, but lacks many features that InGenPool 2.2 has, like handicapping, break pots, calcuttas, give-away prizes, etc.
(Please note also that IngenPool has a table assignment display with actual replications of Pool Tables that turns on a light when a table is assigned for
a match, this software does not)
http://www.allprosoftware.com/ts/?gclid=CMH8yO21h48CFQINPAodEl-Y2w
128 tournament software, but it is geared as generic for any sport, and not specifically for Billiards. Has nice features, but lacks many features that InGenPool 2.2 has, like handicapping, break pots, calcuttas, give-away prizes, etc.
(Please note also that IngenPool has a table assignment display with actual replications of Pool Tables that turns on a light when a table is assigned for
a match, this software does not)
http://www.allprosoftware.com/ts/?gclid=CMH8yO21h48CFQINPAodEl-Y2w
A 256 tournament program is actually very simple to write, however as snapshot9 mentioned the problem is figuring out a way to display the chart properly on a monitor. This is where the difficultly lies, but it can be done.
I would use a mySQL database for the back-end an a PHP API along with Ruby/Qt to develop the front-end GUI and webpages. If anyone is interested I can also develop this.
Regards,
Phillip
I would use a mySQL database for the back-end an a PHP API along with Ruby/Qt to develop the front-end GUI and webpages. If anyone is interested I can also develop this.
Regards,
Phillip
Here is InGenPool main screen
Here is the InGenPool software main tournament screen. It color codes each type of matchup, automatically places in losers bracket. This software does one heck of a lot for $40. I have downloaded and run 5 free tournaments on it to see how it works, and it covers all the 'Billiard' bases. It also has web publishing.
Here is the InGenPool software main tournament screen. It color codes each type of matchup, automatically places in losers bracket. This software does one heck of a lot for $40. I have downloaded and run 5 free tournaments on it to see how it works, and it covers all the 'Billiard' bases. It also has web publishing.
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Mike, I'm sure the tournament software is not for you because you can handle that in your sleep. You might need help with posting to a web page but that's why you have kids!
MikeJanis said:
Mike, I'm sure the tournament software is not for you because you can handle that in your sleep. You might need help with posting to a web page but that's why you have kids!
Duane Tuula said:Mike, I'm sure the tournament software is not for you because you can handle that in your sleep. You might need help with posting to a web page but that's why you have kids!
Duane, thanks for the props. I definately need help with the web, especially now that my kid has abandoned me.
Matt is in Korea in the Army but is coming home to help with the SCO2 and then getting transferred to Ft. Hood in Texas for the next year.
Ok, related to this thread.
Can you guys tell me what sort of brackets can you use when you got like 48 players or between 64 and 128?
Is there any format that can use any other noumber of players without having to take byes on a 32, 64, 128 player format?
Can you guys tell me what sort of brackets can you use when you got like 48 players or between 64 and 128?
Is there any format that can use any other noumber of players without having to take byes on a 32, 64, 128 player format?
Nope
You go to the next higher, which would be 64, and fill in the byes, otherwise the tournament would come out lopsided and giving each player a equal chance.
I have heard of a 96 player bracket though, but I think it is a little different than normal.
MJ_Ro said:
You go to the next higher, which would be 64, and fill in the byes, otherwise the tournament would come out lopsided and giving each player a equal chance.
I have heard of a 96 player bracket though, but I think it is a little different than normal.
We have been using the ingen pool 2.2 for about a year now and I love it. Mike you can ask Shawn about it he used it here for our last two tour stops. The only down fall is it only goes up to 64 players. The pluses are there is an area that keeps track of what match is on what table, Keeps track of player finishes, Does pay out percentages it has a lot of bells and whistles and for $40 it is well worth the price, You get 5 free test tournaments to try it out before you buy it so thats cool too. If you run a lot of tourneys at your room I strongly suggest you check into this program.
This gives me an idea for a software project...if there are a few people up for the task, I'll contribute. I'm just too busy to take it all on right now.
I think an open-source tourny software would be fairly easy to develope, assuming that someone that knows the in and outs of the tournaments themselves would write the requirements with enough detail...
I think an open-source tourny software would be fairly easy to develope, assuming that someone that knows the in and outs of the tournaments themselves would write the requirements with enough detail...
MJ_Ro said:
All double elimination tournament brackets are either,
8, 16, 32, 64. 128, 256, 512 etc... There are no standard inbetweens.
Running 2 seperate 64 player brackets cheat the players because the 1-loss side is set-up incorrectly when used that way. Same with using 2, 128 player brackets to make a 256 chart.
Mj
Ingen
I have been using Ingen Pool for about 1.5 years. I love it. The feature that times the matches is a great tool for managing the field. Daniel ,with Ingen labs, is working on a 128 man bracket version. He is currently working out a few snags but it should be available soon.
Ray
Strokerz said:
I have been using Ingen Pool for about 1.5 years. I love it. The feature that times the matches is a great tool for managing the field. Daniel ,with Ingen labs, is working on a 128 man bracket version. He is currently working out a few snags but it should be available soon.
Ray
MikeJanis said:
So at DCC when they anounce : "316 players , 428 players entered the tournament" , they are useing the closest bracket system in that case 512 and a lot of byes.
I guess the only way to run a tournament is another format, wich is the group format. And then you don't have to worry about byes.