Trip report: Atlanta

[12squared]

Great write-up as usual, Joey. I always feel like I was there after reading your 'write-up' posts, thanks. Sounds like a really fun event, can't be too much prize money but a good time for all.

Did you cash?

Dave

 

[AtLarge]

Please provide the WPA rule for spotting the ten ball on the break.
thanks,

You have to look in two places.

From the 10-ball rules:

9.9 Spotting Balls
If the ten ball is pocketed on a foul a push out or during the break shot, or without calling it, or accidentally in the wrong pocket, or driven off the table, it is spotted. (See 1.4 Spotting Balls.) No other object ball is ever spotted.​

and then from the General Rules:

1.4 Spotting Balls
Balls are spotted (returned to play on the table) by placing them on the long string (long axis of the table) as close as possible to the foot spot and between the foot spot and the foot rail, without moving any interfering ball. If the spotted ball cannot be placed on the foot spot, it should be placed in contact (if possible) with the corresponding interfering ball. However, when the cue ball is next to the spotted ball, the spotted ball should not be placed in contact with the cue ball; a small separation must be maintained. If all of the long string below the foot spot is blocked by other balls, the ball is spotted above the foot spot, and as close as possible to the foot spot.
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[Catch_A_Gear]

Joey, I do not understand why you could not snap this tournament off. With drawing players like Nevel, Burford, Shuffett and Moore. Remind me to never stand next to you during a lightning storm.

 

[JoeyA]

The rules were. If the 10-ball goes in on the break it is immediately spotted as close to the spot as possible. If there was a ball on the spot the 10-ball was spotted directly behind the impeding ball. I think Joey either mis-heard or mis-typed what he heard. His question was " f the 10 is made on the break does the player continue shooting without spotting the ball or should the ball be spotted immediately after the break even if it impedes the path top the object ball".

But regardless it was a great event.

Maybe I wrote what happened and what was said incorrectly. I'll check. I checked and I think I wrote it correctly.

On the break, I made 3 balls, the one, the two and the ten ball. The 3 ball was not on the spot but to the side of the spot. The lowest numbered ball which was the three ball was positioned to the side of the spot so when you placed the ten ball on the spot, even though it did not touch the three ball, but you could not make the three ball with the ten ball on the spot. Does that make sense?

In other words, by making the ten ball on the break and spotting it up immediately on the spot, the ten ball blocked my ability to make the three ball.

I don't know what the correct rules are but I sure don't like getting penalized for making three balls on the break.

Please specify the rules of the WPA which covers this. Also, please specify what rules Mike Janis's tournament was governed by concerning this situation.

BTW, I asked Mike Janis what cue ball were they going to be using for the tournament? He said Pro Cup Cue Ball. Now don't go googling that or asking your buddies, but do you know what a Pro Cup Cue Ball is? And don't go writing what it is. Just let me know if you knew what the PCCB is. I'm just curious if many others automatically knew what a Pro Cup Cue Ball is. I asked FIVE DIFFERENT people at the tournament who were "PLAYERS" and none of them knew what a Pro Cup Cue Ball was. (Neither did I)

JoeyA

 

[JoeyA]

You have to look in two places.

From the 10-ball rules:

9.9 Spotting Balls
If the ten ball is pocketed on a foul a push out or during the break shot, or without calling it, or accidentally in the wrong pocket, or driven off the table, it is spotted. (See 1.4 Spotting Balls.) No other object ball is ever spotted.​

and then from the General Rules:

1.4 Spotting Balls
Balls are spotted (returned to play on the table) by placing them on the long string (long axis of the table) as close as possible to the foot spot and between the foot spot and the foot rail, without moving any interfering ball. If the spotted ball cannot be placed on the foot spot, it should be placed in contact (if possible) with the corresponding interfering ball. However, when the cue ball is next to the spotted ball, the spotted ball should not be placed in contact with the cue ball; a small separation must be maintained. If all of the long string below the foot spot is blocked by other balls, the ball is spotted above the foot spot, and as close as possible to the foot spot.
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If this is all of the rules that pertain to this situation, the rules suck, imo. I don't think a player should be penalized for making a ball on the break. It just doesn't make sense. It happens so infrequently (making the ten ball on the break) that for you to be penalized by putting it on the spot and impeding the path of the cue ball on the next lowest numbered ball on the table. Well, it just doesn't make sense and it's not fair, imo. No crying towel here because the rules are for everyone. A whine perhaps but nothing more.

Maybe when I explained the situation (after the fact) to Mike Janis, I may not have explained it well enough.

Anyway, if anyone has any other perspective they want to offer, I am always willing to "listen".

 

[JoeyA]

Joey, I do not understand why you could not snap this tournament off. With drawing players like Nevel, Burford, Shuffett and Moore. Remind me to never stand next to you during a lightning storm.

So you're saying that there may be draw-backs to wearing a tin-foil hat.