Two Great (crazy?) 8-ball Outs

Cornerman

Cornerman

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Two wild outs from last night's league play. The balls are pretty close to where they were to the best of my memory.

Wei Bar Table

I'm solids. This one I'll have to credit something subtle that Varner said the other day. "If I hit this shot, the game is over. If I don't go for this shot, I might not get a better opportunity.

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I'm solids again. This is one where I missed the breakout on the 8-ball a couple of times and in my mind, I was too far into the rack and felt I need to go for the crazy out. I don't think I'd recommend it to anyone however, especially if you're not playing a point system 8-ball league.

The 9-ball goes, but the 8-ball doesn't.

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I put the Wei bar table link up there because it's supposed to be a little smaller, to convey tightness. It could stand to be even smaller.

Fred
 
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For the first rack, i'm thinking that for your first shot you cut the 1 in the top right corner with low-left spin to keep yourself on the left side of the table to take care of the other solids.

For the second rack, i'm thinking you took care of the 6 and 7 first, and got position on the 2 such that you cross banked it into the top side and sent the CB into the 8, 9 cluster.

How close am I?

EDIT: Oops. I didn't see that 7 ball in the first rack. Darn that camouflage brown felt. Instead of low-left spin, you probably played high-right to get on that 7 with enough angle, such that you can pocket the 7 in the top-left corner and send the CB back down to the left side of the table for the remaining solids. You probably played the 8 in the top-side.
 
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Cornerman said:
Two wild outs from last night's league play. The balls are pretty close to where they were to the best of my memory.

Wei Bar Table

I'm solids. This one I'll have to credit something subtle that Varner said the other day. "If I hit this shot, the game is over. If I don't go for this shot, I might not get a better opportunity.

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I'd probably cut the 4 into the corner near the 3 first, being that it's the only available pocket while thinking about position for the 7.


I'm solids again. This is one where I missed the breakout on the 8-ball a couple of times and in my mind, I was too far into the rack and felt I need to go for the crazy out. I don't think I'd recommend it to anyone however, especially if you're not playing a point system 8-ball league.

The 9-ball goes, but the 8-ball doesn't.

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I think I'd prefer to play safe: thin the 6 ball to block the 13 and, hopefully, leave the cb nudged up on the 10 ball.

*EDIT-I'm a friggin retard; the thread says "2 wild outs".

I would have shot it like Andrew Manning's WEI, with the 2 ball played cross corner, trying to break the 8 out.



I put the Wei bar table link up there because it's supposed to be a little smaller, to convey tightness. It could stand to be even smaller.

Fred
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What did you do, Fred?


Eric
 
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I'd do the first rack this way (arrows represent cueball path after contact on each shot):

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First the four, since you're not likely to get position on it again due to the 10 ball. Draw a bit up table, leaving an angle on the seven, go one rail for the one, one rail for the three, one rail for the two, one rail for the eight straight in the upper side pocket. No tough shots except the first one.

For the second rack, I'd try this:

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First the six, leaving a little angle on the seven, then off the seven leave an angle to cross-bank the two and send the cueball into the eight. Trouble is, there's no insurance ball, so you have to hope you get a shot on the eight. With the right speed, though, I think the cueball won't go far, and the eight may end up makeable in the upper left corner, as diagrammed.

Fred, do those come close to what you did?

-Andrew
 
Cornerman said:
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Eric. said:
I'd probably cut the 4 into the corner near the 3 first, being that it's the only available pocket while thinking about position for the 7.

What did you do, Fred?


Eric
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I did indeed back cut the 4-ball into 3/4 of a pocket. The carom sent it right to the 9-ball and killed the cueball. Then 2-3-7-1-8. Even wide open, the position from the 2 to the 3 was pretty delicate so that I had a relatively easy shot to slide up for the 7-ball.


For shot #2

Andrew Manning said:
First the six, leaving a little angle on the seven, then off the seven leave an angle to cross-bank the two and send the cueball into the eight. Trouble is, there's no insurance ball, so you have to hope you get a shot on the eight.
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If the 12-ball wasn't there, this would have been my first choice. But, after playing the 6-ball, the cueball and 7-ball lay such that I couldn't afford to try to slide by the 12-ball and go too far (double kiss is on), or worse, not slide by the 12-ball at all. So, I chose this route, which I'm not crazy about, but I liked that I was on the ball to begin with.
Cinched the 6-ball to have some kind of angle on the 7-ball to point A.
Hit the 7-ball such that I ensured that I was on the 2-ball to point B.

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I then hit the 3 railer on the 2-ball such that if I could pass the 11-ball, it made for a natural 3-railer towards the cluster (one diamond short on the corner 5 system). And yes, the cut on the 2-ball is pretty much as impossible as it looks. I got really fortunate that I didn't run the cueball any farther than B. I had pretty much the same shot had I landed anywhere from around C to B, so I was playing that pretty good sized position window.


It's not an out that I want to shoot, but I didn't like giving up the table considering that I went passed what I thought was the point of no return. I think my decision to play for the 3-railer instead of the cross over bank is what won the game.

Fred
 
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