Using too much inside English??
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thenaturalpoolplayer
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ok keep playing at a 500 level and wonder why you don't improve.
Inside and outside are very different.
Outside you are just helping the ball to go in the direction you cut it. Basically taking away another of the natural forward throw of a plainly hit ball. Throw does not back a ball "back up"/cut more than the actual angle you hit it at, it just eliminates the collision induce (forward) throw.
Inside increases the amount of collision induced (forward) throw, making you need to hit a point on the ball that is an over-cut if hit with a plain ball. This is not natural/intuitive compared to how the majority of shoot are hit... so it needs some deliberate adjusting.
Ask any lower level player to try hitting a midrange shot with a tip of inside and see them undercut the shot until they figure it out.
Get on a Billiard table and learn the cue ball. Every spot on the cue ball and every stroke with all the variables known to mankind are as common as sand on a beach. You will learn every dot on the cue ball and how to use it.
Throw in the knowledge of using the rails, angles, diamonds, shorten and lenghten the angles, reversing, delaying, thick/thin hits, etc. and you have a pool player in the making.
I can go on forever about the importance of the cue ball and stroke technique.
I don't know the percentage but I would guess that billiards will cut your learning time in half, probably higher.
If you just spent time on a table trying to pocket balls and hit an inside out stroke loaded with juice around the table 3 or 4 rails for shape you may never get it, while it's common stroke on a billiard table.
Yes its important to have all the planets in alignment, basic fundamentals are just that, basic.
Many people out there feel the need to complicate the game of pool, all cue sports, when it's a simple concept.
Maybe they want to sound knowledgeable and complicate things that are very simple to learn.
Information overload and dissecting every little movement to a fault may not be the best thing.
I'm extreme OCD, I've been told a walking barrel of useless information.
As OCD as I am I do believe over analysis could be harmful, and I'm a guy that numbers his socks.
About 7 years ago I witnessed a very well known instructor filming a guys elbow all day long. They were constantly looking back at the video for hours on end. When I heard how much he paid for that lesson I peed myself.
To this day that student is a C-player, low B at best and advertises as a registered instructor. To this day he constantly looks back at his swingarm when pre-stroking, I cringe, it's difficult to watch.
If you talk to him about pool he complicates it, I zip my lip and just listen to the confusion.
Get your fundamentals in order. The stance, eyes, body, head, bridges, grips, approach, rhythm, etc, are simple to learn. It takes work and conscious thought to maintain it, it's not complicated.
I've been around players that can't spell their name and have it down to a science, they just don't know it.
The big test is cue ball knowledge, the strokes and all the variables of the strokes.
On any given shot you can strike the cue ball many different ways. If you don't have cue ball and
stroke knowledge you may as well play checkers, but you have great fundamentals.
I don't care how beautiful you stand or your pool IQ, it's useless with out the above.
Keep it simple,,, Fundamentals, Cue Ball, Stroke Technique and timing of the stroke.
Patterns, game play, rhythms, all come along for the ride when you have the above.
It's a very difficult game, I love it.
Stop Effin complicating everything.
Throw in the knowledge of using the rails, angles, diamonds, shorten and lenghten the angles, reversing, delaying, thick/thin hits, etc. and you have a pool player in the making.
I can go on forever about the importance of the cue ball and stroke technique.
I don't know the percentage but I would guess that billiards will cut your learning time in half, probably higher.
If you just spent time on a table trying to pocket balls and hit an inside out stroke loaded with juice around the table 3 or 4 rails for shape you may never get it, while it's common stroke on a billiard table.
Yes its important to have all the planets in alignment, basic fundamentals are just that, basic.
Many people out there feel the need to complicate the game of pool, all cue sports, when it's a simple concept.
Maybe they want to sound knowledgeable and complicate things that are very simple to learn.
Information overload and dissecting every little movement to a fault may not be the best thing.
I'm extreme OCD, I've been told a walking barrel of useless information.
As OCD as I am I do believe over analysis could be harmful, and I'm a guy that numbers his socks.
About 7 years ago I witnessed a very well known instructor filming a guys elbow all day long. They were constantly looking back at the video for hours on end. When I heard how much he paid for that lesson I peed myself.
To this day that student is a C-player, low B at best and advertises as a registered instructor. To this day he constantly looks back at his swingarm when pre-stroking, I cringe, it's difficult to watch.
If you talk to him about pool he complicates it, I zip my lip and just listen to the confusion.
Get your fundamentals in order. The stance, eyes, body, head, bridges, grips, approach, rhythm, etc, are simple to learn. It takes work and conscious thought to maintain it, it's not complicated.
I've been around players that can't spell their name and have it down to a science, they just don't know it.
The big test is cue ball knowledge, the strokes and all the variables of the strokes.
On any given shot you can strike the cue ball many different ways. If you don't have cue ball and
stroke knowledge you may as well play checkers, but you have great fundamentals.
I don't care how beautiful you stand or your pool IQ, it's useless with out the above.
Keep it simple,,, Fundamentals, Cue Ball, Stroke Technique and timing of the stroke.
Patterns, game play, rhythms, all come along for the ride when you have the above.
It's a very difficult game, I love it.
Stop Effin complicating everything.
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thenaturalpoolplayer
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This makes no sense to me...why be an incomplete player. What are you going to do when you need to reverse english 3 rail shape? It's like a soccer player with no left foot (or right) lol...not a complete player.i'd rather have a root-canal with a butterknife than use inside. i only use it when i have to. based on what you've stated i'd say you're addicted to it. may need to join IA(inside anonymous).
yes, in fact completely opposite
I had written more of a rebuttal, but I try not to engage anymore so I gassed it.
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You of course have no way of knowing my actual spd so you're take on why I don't improve beyond my current fargo is moot. Rest assured, for you to reach what is slowing me down. You may want to reflect on my comments rather than dismiss them.
But rememba', he's a natural playa'. Seriously the guy has posted more troll-worthy crap in 3wks than most could do in ten yrs. His road partner must be Capt.Obvious.