I just got done practicing and I had a shot in which the cue ball was close to the object ball. I shot away from the object ball but still felt a slight vibration feeling in the cue. It got me thinking- is that always an indication of a double hit? If it were a real match, I don’t think it would have been noticeable visually- I always want to be an honest player and want to know for future situations
Vibration feeling in cue on close shots always an indication of a foul?
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Double hits usually happen so fast that you won’t feel it. A better indication is the reaction of the cue ball - if it moves forward more than half a ball distance, it is almost always a double hit.
When you're down on the shot, it is hard to see that yourself, so that is a bit of an issue.
I get what you are saying about not feeling it, but what if you do get that odd vibration feeling? Is that a guaranteed sign of a foul?
I always thought it was, but I'm not exactly sure of the science behind it and whether you should call a foul on yourself if you feel it, but your opponent didn't notice anything visually.
Would be good to know. Anytime I feel that, I just pick it up and hand it over. Default at this point.
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I am confused. I thought shooting "away from the object ball" eliminated the foul through convention because doing so demonstrated the shooter's intent to avoid a double hit.
"intent" and what actually can happen are two different things
It's absolutely possibly to foul while trying not to, and it's still as much of a foul if you were not trying. Even at an angle shooting away from the object call you can follow through the shot and hit the cueball again.I think TAP league has a silly rule where if you look like you are trying to avoid the double hit or push foul on a close shot, they say it's not a foul even if it was. Because it's just soooo hard to teach grown ups the actual rule and how to avoid the foul LOL I have no idea what the APA does on close hits, if a push out or calling the pocket is too hard for them they probably just let it go as not a foul. The world rules, BCAPL, USAPL I know still treat the foul as a foul no matter how you try to avoid it, if you foul on the shot, it's a foul.
What angle away from straight on? Pretty level or jacked up some?
After some angle it’s probably impossible to double hit the CB. I bet half ball is enough with a level(ish) cue.
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I didn’t record the practice session, so I don’t remember exactly, but it was fairly level. The cue ball was close to the object ball which I pocketed in the side by shooting somewhat away from the object ball. Wish I would have recorded it. As I mentioned, it just felt weird- making me think it may have been a double hit.
This comes up in competition not that infrequently- nobody is recording it, so it’s difficult to declare, but the shooter knows what it felt like. In the sake of honesty, is that vibration feeling always an indication of a foul and if you feel it as the shooter should you automatically give ball in hand?
Ya got me. Maybe try hitting a few that can't double hit, like the half ball hit I mentioned above. Then if it still "vibrates" at least you'll know it can happen without a double hit.
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