I have a good friend who told me the other day he was interested in selling his older Joss West cue. IIRC its a plain 4 pointer with 4 veneers, and 3 or 4 shafts I believe. I think he wants under $1500 for it but don't hold me to that. He was getting advise from some Joss collectors before he sold it, he may have changed his mind completely. If anyone is seriously interested, either PM me or send me an email for my buddies email address and/or phone number and you can discuss it with him.