What kind of stroke is this?

[BeiberLvr]

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/5736842

Sigel plays the first shot with a lot of follow.

However, instead of his tip moving straight through like you would expect from someone with a severe elbow drop. It actually dips towards and touches the felt after contact. Pretty much what you might expect from someone using a pendulum stroke.

The second shot looks to be about center ball, but the elbow still drops, and the tip still goes toward the cloth after contact.

So I'm curious to know how someone would define this type of stroke. Would it just be a pendulum/piston hybrid?

 

[Neil]

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/5736842

Sigel plays the first shot with a lot of follow.

However, instead of his tip moving straight through like you would expect from someone with a severe elbow drop. It actually dips towards and touches the felt after contact. Pretty much what you might expect from someone using a pendulum stroke.

The second shot looks to be about center ball, but the elbow still drops, and the tip still goes toward the cloth after contact.

So I'm curious to know how someone would define this type of stroke. Would it just be a pendulum/piston hybrid?

His tip doesn't hit the cloth until he starts to stand up. But, even with a piston stroke, the tip can hit the cloth with an extended follow through because of the angle of the cue.

On the second shot, his elbow only drops about two inches before contact and through a normal length follow through. Then it drops the rest of the way, the tip is off the table until he starts to rise from the shot.

Hit pause and play fast and you can see it. His second shot would be a pendulum J stroke. First shot can't really say because we can't see his elbow at all.