What stroke is needed for this shot?

Force follow. He hits it so hard (extreme acceleration of the cue before he hits the cueball) that the ball stops, and the spin takes a second later (it doesn't grip the cloth right away). Use extreme high english, and use an extreme follow through. You can use this technique to your advantage with draw aswell. It will stun along the tangent line and then the spin will take.
 
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Gatz said:
Force follow. He hits it so hard (extreme acceleration of the cue before he hits the cueball) that the ball stops, and the spin takes a second later (it doesn't grip the cloth right away). Use extreme high english, and use an extreme follow through. You can use this technique to your advantage with draw aswell. It will stun along the tangent line and then the spin will take.
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It also takes new, slippery cloth to make the ball "skate" in such a wide curve.

pj
chgo
 
And if you want to try something like this the biggest key is to not hit it too hard because you'll defeat your purpose. A smooth follow straight through the cue ball, about a medium hit will do just fine.

There's a shot that I do to show off force follow to younger players that looks like this.

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The 1 ball is against the tip of the pocket. You can not shoot it in. You have to hit it full and hard enough that it will compress that tip enough for the ball to pass into the pocket. Using high inside with a medium stroke and a good, straight, follow through the cue ball will come off the rail and take off down table for position on the 9. I don't remember where I saw that shot originally done but I admit it's not my original shot. Anyway, everyone that tries this hits it really hard and it doesn't work. You'll get more action on the cueball with a controlled stroke.
MULLY
the diagram isn't perfect. The one ball should be touching the rail. You can not cut it in.
 
Its shot with top right. Thre's just a tiny bit of spin left on the ball to carry it past the 7. Like Mully said you don't want shoot this shot real hard. Also how full you hit the 6 makes a difference to. Over cut it a little and the c/b won't hook soon enough. To full and it won't make it past the 7. Obviously Efren had the mixture right.

Rod
 
This has been debated by a lot of members here before, and the thread has been dead and buried. Some said high right, and half said high left. It's either, and I ask the man himself when I was at the IPT challenge match between him and Austin, and this is what he said.

It was just all topspin, but he had to make the CB jump off the air a bit upon impact for that force-follow and curve motion to bite like that...
 
gopi-1 said:
This has been debated by a lot of members here before, and the thread has been dead and buried. Some said high right, and half said high left. It's either, and I ask the man himself when I was at the IPT challenge match between him and Austin, and this is what he said.

It was just all topspin, but he had to make the CB jump off the air a bit upon impact for that force-follow and curve motion to bite like that...
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Yeah, there's no need for english on that shot. English only affects the cue ball's path off the rail and that bend forward happens well after it has left the rail. The angle of the shot on this will dictate which way the cue ball will go. You'd only want to use inside english on this shot if you wanted the cueball to take off up table from that second rail where he went between the 2 balls. Inside spin there and he probably would have rifled way up table.

In the shot I diagrammed above I used inside spin so the cue ball will lengthen out when it hits the side rail AFTER the top spin has taken it partly down table.
 
they've already said it but damnit I want to make a post today so;
force follow, just center english, no right or left. don't try to muscle it.
 
At the risk of starting a debate I will not win,I'll offer thought as fact:

This is NOT center ball.

It's high,but not high center.

Look at it again,it's a few degrees (if that) off of being staight in.

Somebody agree,or teach me sumtin'...I fine either way. ;)
 
Thunderball said:
At the risk of starting a debate I will not win,I'll offer thought as fact:

This is NOT center ball.

It's high,but not high center.

Look at it again,it's a few degrees (if that) off of being staight in.

Somebody agree,or teach me sumtin'...I fine either way. ;)
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i agree with you and will add i think that it's not so much the speed that you are hitting it as it is the wrist action snap you generate when striking the cue ball.
 
everyone will hit this shot a little different because not all strokes are built the same but the end result should be the same.
 
everyone will hit this shot a little different because not all strokes are built the same but the end result should be the same.
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You are insane.I'm one of everyone so I'm included in your post ;).

Frankly I'd rather try to go 11 rails then pull that shot off....and I'd like my chances better too lol.

Just saying...that shot aint in my library...not even a consideration honestly.

Dam nice shot though.....but it aint center ball.
 
it's not so much the speed that you are hitting it as it is the wrist action snap you generate when striking the cue ball.
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There's no difference. The purpose of wrist action is to increase the speed of your cue.

pj
chgo
 
How does he make the six ball do that curve? What english and strength is needed? Amazing shot btw.
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It's an amazing shot, but I'd be even more amazed if he really meant to do it that way. It wasn't necessary to go around the 7 off the side rail, and it isn't the best choice. He could have just curved enough to go straight uptable for it - I bet that's what he had in mind. The real brilliance of the shot is that he hit it hard enough to go wide around the 9 - and he just got more follow than he expected.

pj
chgo
 
gopi-1 said:
It was just all topspin, but he had to make the CB jump off the air a bit upon impact for that force-follow and curve motion to bite like that...
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IMO, the approach and rebound off the second rail confirms that there is no english on the cue ball. That is, the effrects of any english would be readily visible after the second rail. Right would cause the cue ball to bump the 8; left to bump the 6.

The curving action, after contact with the first rail, can be accomplished with many variations of top and speed. I.e., top right, top left, top, middle-top but hit very hard, etc. IMO, the distance the cue ball travels (after contact with the first rail) implies a medium stroke hit with high english - and not much more speed. And, as I noted above, any english on the cue ball would alter the path off the second rail.

-td
 
Patrick Johnson said:
It's an amazing shot, but I'd be even more amazed if he really meant to do it that way. It wasn't necessary to go around the 7 off the side rail, and it isn't the best choice. He could have just curved enough to go straight uptable for it - I bet that's what he had in mind. The real brilliance of the shot is that he hit it hard enough to go wide around the 9 - and he just got more follow than he expected.

pj
chgo
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Yeah, I'm willing to bet he played it like that. Efren has had so many miracle shots that when he does something like this I don't even question it anymore.
MULLY
 
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