What would you do (8 ball)?
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ok, celtic was right about the table and conditions. However the guys we where playing would have had no problem potting either ball from distance. Even if I could have played a really good safe they would have simply wasted 1 shot to get prime position and then ran the three balls. I knew the obvious shot was to play the cb twice across the table to try and either a) pot the black in the corner past the other red ball or at least b) cover the pocket so he would have some problems with the run out. The problem was that I couldn't hit the opposite side rail from where the cb was or atleast enough of it to just bank past the middle pocket and then hit the 8. Therefore I used the jaw of the pocket to get around the ball that I was hooked behind and banked across the two rails hitting the 8 and pocketing it in the corner with just enough weight. The hardest part of the shot was judging how much of the jaw to hit to then hit the opposite rail in the right place.
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I told my partner what I was going to do before I played the shot and we both liked it because I was confident of hitting the 8 and it was a two way shot even of both options where slim. I have to say though I was playing at least 10 hours a day at the time and I really expected to hit the 8. It was a great feeling when it went in though!
We went on to win the event that weekend
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I told my partner what I was going to do before I played the shot and we both liked it because I was confident of hitting the 8 and it was a two way shot even of both options where slim. I have to say though I was playing at least 10 hours a day at the time and I really expected to hit the 8. It was a great feeling when it went in though!
We went on to win the event that weekend
I'll bet that your opponents are *still* standing there with their mouths wide open in awe of your shot!
I've seen some incredible "accidental" shots which have hit the pocket tit. But when I try to deliberately use the tit to make a ball, it never goes a consistent direction. No telling where the ball will go. This is on tables with a sharp tit (not rounded) though.
I've seen some incredible "accidental" shots which have hit the pocket tit. But when I try to deliberately use the tit to make a ball, it never goes a consistent direction. No telling where the ball will go. This is on tables with a sharp tit (not rounded) though.
i give you 5 to 1 on the cash, 10 tries to make the ball again............. 
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vapoolplayer said:i give you 5 to 1 on the cash, 10 tries to make the ball again.............
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I would have taken that a few years ago
Its funny I always wonder how much luck is in the shot when you are playing it but it is a low percentage shot. Obviously its not a fluke because thats what you are trying to play, you know where you want to hit and you are trying to judge it exactly, but you might make it once in a hundred. Is it luck or skill?
TheOne said:I would have taken that a few years ago
Its funny I always wonder how much luck is in the shot when you are playing it but it is a low percentage shot. Obviously its not a fluke because thats what you are trying to play, you know where you want to hit and you are trying to judge it exactly, but you might make it once in a hundred. Is it luck or skill?
its both, it takes skill to just hit the ball, and it takes a little luck as well.
you said yourself you could hit the ball, that is the skill part. you could hit the ball a 100 times in a row. the luck comes in when the 1 time out of 100 that you make the ball happens to be in a clutch situation with the game on the line.
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TheOne said:I would have taken that a few years ago
Its funny I always wonder how much luck is in the shot when you are playing it but it is a low percentage shot. Obviously its not a fluke because thats what you are trying to play, you know where you want to hit and you are trying to judge it exactly, but you might make it once in a hundred. Is it luck or skill?
Just because that's what you intended, doesn't mean it wasn't a fluke. Hey, I'm always trying to win lotto! I'd say the odds of hitting that shot again have to be around 2% at best under competitive circumstances. If this were a proposition shot, the practice might raise your percentage but only to about 5% or so.
Jude Rosenstock said:
Not a very good comparison. A lotto is a random draw where you have no input whatsoever. A fluke to me is something that you did not intend. If you plan the shot and know where you want to hit and try and judge it based on your experience its not a fluke. Now if I had closed my eyes and hit the white somewhere and potted the black that would have been a fluke. A simple ball hanging over the pocket you may make 100% of the time, you intend to sink it and you make it. The shot I played is the other extreem, I knew exactly what I wanted to to, I pictured the shot and made it as I imagined. Just because this is the other extreem and maybe less than 1% it doesn't make it a "fluke"
TheOne said:
I agree. It's a low percentage shot, not a fluke. Once while playing a 9-ball set, I corner-hooked myself on the 9-ball on my hill game. I made a shot off the side-pocket tit, off the rail, and made the 9-ball down the rail for the win.
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The guy I was playing against was hopping mad! And bet me $100 to $1000 that I couldn't make it in 10 more tries. I made it again the third try.
I used to practice that shot or variations of that shot a lot. And I made it several times in tournaments or gambling. Usually with the Object ball more in the pocket. On a table with consistent tits, I have an aiming method that is much more consistent than one would think.
Great shot theone.
Cheers,
Regas
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sixpack said:
Thanks, like your shot too, although I'm not sure I would have taken the bet you did but then I had never practised my shot before. Still wouldn't have taken the bet though if I did, its too low percentage. Sure bet he was pissed off when you made it again lol!
TheOne said:
I don't think normally I would have taken that bet either, but he was so mad and called it a lucky shot and that pissed me off a little bit. Plus I was betting his money anyway. When I made it the second time he didn't say a word. He seemed less pissed than when I made it the first time.
sixpack said:
did you get paid?
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sixpack said:
Any chance you will share your method with us ?
Further to your shot Regas, does anyone else play the hit by kicking off the side of the pocket you are hooked in ? Like this :
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Dave
Riiiiight 
DaveK said:
Hmmm...that looks a lot simpler than what I did
Maybe I do look for tougher shots first.As for my method. I am happy to share, but bear with me because it is probably hard to describe in type. I haven't even ever showed it to anybody in person, so not sure how it will come out. Here goes:
Start with the cue ball on the spot. Then aim the center of the cue ball to the center of the point. Make sure your stroke is STRAIGHT. Hit the ball with medium speed and see where it goes. Depending on the shape and hardness of the tit, it could come straight back to you or hit the opposite rail around the middle diamond or anywhere in between. Keep doing this until you can reasonably make it come back to you consistently.
Now to adjust, I think of the cue tip divided into tiny pie slices, even smaller than the hour increments on a clock would be. I turn the cue slightly to put the next 'mark' in the center of the tit, keeping the cue stick in the center of the cue ball. Then shoot it and see how much that changes the angle of the cue ball off the tit. Practice this from various cue ball positions and then when the shot comes up in play, line up straight first, and then move off of it the amount you judge that you'll need and hit it with confidence. I've found that it's easiest to control with slight draw and very slight sidespin can influence the direction of the cueball off the rail.
I've also found that it is easier to go off the tit and then into a rail to pocket a ball near a pocket than it is to go directly into the ball. I think this is because the slop in the contact with the rail tends to dampen, rather than exaggerate errors and generally create a better pocketing angle.
Anyway, I don't know if I was able to explain it very well, but next time I practice I will try to identify ways to explain it better.
Cheers,
Regas