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I am in 300 a set 9 ball action race to 8. I lose the first set and am I'm winning the second set 7 to 4. I break he runs out. I lose the next rack and now it is 7 to 6. He makes a real tough shot on the 9 to make it 7 to 7 and starts chirping at me. Telling me how good he hit it. I don't say a word and keep my composure and get out the last rack to win.

Now I start barking at him to raise the bet. Next thing you know I am playing race to 11 for a dime. It is 2 to 1 mine and I play safe. I hook him just behind the 9 and he has a slight masse' to hit the 4. He masses around the 9hits the 4 but his cue stick hits the 9 driving it up table. The 9ball is headed at a very good rate of speed at the 4 and 7 ball. He reaches across the table and grabs the 9ball in motion and puts it back.

I said that is a foul the 9ball was moving, which was obvious, and he said I hit it with my cue and wanted to put it back. I said it was moving you can't grab a moving ball and if you did hit it with the cue you must wait for it to come to rest and I will let you know if I want it moved back. He refused to give in and said cueball fouls only. I said I will accept nothing less than CB in hand. Anyway I had a roadmap out with BIH and he didn't want to give in.

The house called foul and he still wouldn't give in. He got exactly what he wanted I quit. He wanted me to quit because he was out of his league betting 1k and his wasn't comfortable.

Question - 1. Should I have given in and kept playing?
2. What non violent action would you have taken?

My thoughts were if I let him get away with it and he won that rack I may never recover. Although I wanted to play so bad because I felt like I had the best of it. In the end, I learned a lot about him and needless to say we will never play again.
 
You did all you could do. Any player playing for a dime should know thats a foul. He would have found another way to make trouble later. Quit the set and never give action again.

I was playing 40 a game on a bar table a few months ago. I had the guy stuck 2 games after playing a dozen or so racks. He breaks and flies the cueball off the table, makes 3 balls, leaving me a cosmo out with cueball in hand. The 1 and 2 are above the headstring. The guy says, "That's ball in hand behind the headsting were I play" and pushes the 1 and 2 in with his hand leaving me no shot on the 4. An arguement ensues, I quit, tell him to keep his money and his action is done with me. He was getting beat in front of his friends and needed a way out, just like your opponent.

Even though you have the best of it, you can't keep playing.
 
I have always found that you attract more bees with honey than vinegar. If you like your end of it and REALLY feel you are the favorite, then play him again. Make him bet the 1k and this time, post it up and let someone hold it. JMO.

Southpaw
 
You did exactly the right thing. Anyone who has ever played to any degree knew that would be ball in hand. I don't play anyone who tries to rattle me or give static when playing. It has been a good rule so far and ensures that I only match up with good gamblers. NOT NITS!!!!!!

Gary
 
just about a said:
The house called foul and he still wouldn't give in. He got exactly what he wanted I quit. .
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Why did you quit? If the house called foul he has to go with it. Sounds to me like you got sharked.
 
Moving away was the right thing to do. I don't think you would have been able to pull your composure back together after that one. And I agree with everyone else, no reason to play him anymore.
MULLY
 
worldison2 said:
Why did you quit? If the house called foul he has to go with it. Sounds to me like you got sharked.
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He wouldn't give up BIH. He didn't care what the house said. It was a bad situation. He just kept saying cueball fouls only. I just didn't know what to do, so I quit. Maybe I got sharked but in the end the guy is an ahole and I don't need the aggravation. I want to play best man win no BS. He accomplished what he wanted and now he lost me life. So I guess it worked out for both of us.
 
just about a said:
I am in 300 a set 9 ball action race to 8. I lose the first set and am I'm winning the second set 7 to 4. I break he runs out. I lose the next rack and now it is 7 to 6. He makes a real tough shot on the 9 to make it 7 to 7 and starts chirping at me. Telling me how good he hit it. I don't say a word and keep my composure and get out the last rack to win.

Now I start barking at him to raise the bet. Next thing you know I am playing race to 11 for a dime. It is 2 to 1 mine and I play safe. I hook him just behind the 9 and he has a slight masse' to hit the 4. He masses around the 9hits the 4 but his cue stick hits the 9 driving it up table. The 9ball is headed at a very good rate of speed at the 4 and 7 ball. He reaches across the table and grabs the 9ball in motion and puts it back.

I said that is a foul the 9ball was moving, which was obvious, and he said I hit it with my cue and wanted to put it back. I said it was moving you can't grab a moving ball and if you did hit it with the cue you must wait for it to come to rest and I will let you know if I want it moved back. He refused to give in and said cueball fouls only. I said I will accept nothing less than CB in hand. Anyway I had a roadmap out with BIH and he didn't want to give in.

The house called foul and he still wouldn't give in. He got exactly what he wanted I quit. He wanted me to quit because he was out of his league betting 1k and his wasn't comfortable.

Question - 1. Should I have given in and kept playing?
2. What non violent action would you have taken?

My thoughts were if I let him get away with it and he won that rack I may never recover. Although I wanted to play so bad because I felt like I had the best of it. In the end, I learned a lot about him and needless to say we will never play again.
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I think the lessons I learned from this thread are:

1. Stipulate these situations before you even start gambling.
2. If you know in your heart of hearts the person is an a$$hole, nit, etc., don't play them, even if you think you have a lock.

I know it may not be possible to cover ever scenario before gambling, and even if you do, the opponent may choose to "remember" what was discussed differently, especially if you're on their turf, or outnumbered by their friends.

I actually go one step further. If someone aggravates me I don't play them AT ALL, unless we meet in league play or a tournament, which is unfortunate but tolerable if only for those rare instances.

I don't need the money, and you probably don't either, but you like the action so I understand where you're coming from. I do appreciate you choosing the non-violent path...which can be simple, effective and ultimately destructive and self-defeating...but who amongst us has not wanted to shove a jump cue in the other person's eye?

Anyway, good luck to you and stay away from this POS.
 
Just a quick side Q: If he had let the 9 go on its merry wayward path towards the 4 and 7, you then get the choice to move the 9 back. I get that. But what about the 4 and 7? Do you then play whitey where she lay or BIH? (Sorry, I know there was a recent long thread about what constitutes a miscue, and the thread broadened into other fouls, but I got so twisted reading that thread I had to give up the ghost on it).
 
you did the right thing, but next time do the ff.

1. always ask a neutral party to keep the monies. he/she will act as an arbiter and a ref as well and have the final say on whatever happens on the table. this is to avoid an arse a way out.

2. if he comes in to the joint again, broadcast loudly to everyone in the poolroom to be careful or not to play him coz he's not a good sport. there's nothing more sweeter than giving someone an EGO-whooping. he might had escaped with his money and had a mischievous grin on his face the first time, but getting his reputation tarnished for showing his face again is a lot more than just losing his money.

it appears like you are inviting trouble, well not really. you are just returning a favor.
 
I would have picked up the 9-ball and placed it as a hanger in the pocket in line the the next shot...

When he called foul...I would have said..."CB fouls only"...made the combo and then quit.
 
KoolKat9Lives said:
Just a quick side Q: If he had let the 9 go on its merry wayward path towards the 4 and 7, you then get the choice to move the 9 back. I get that. But what about the 4 and 7? Do you then play whitey where she lay or BIH?
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Even if you are playing cueball fouls only if you move a ball inadvertently and that ball either contacts another ball, or a moving ball comes into the path where the ball you inadvertently moved was originally, it is a foul and ball in hand.
 
He went from $300 to 1k are you sure he had the money to back up his mouth?

Maybe he needed to get out of the game.
 
just about a said:
I am in 300 a set 9 ball action race to 8. I lose the first set and am I'm winning the second set 7 to 4. I break he runs out. I lose the next rack and now it is 7 to 6. He makes a real tough shot on the 9 to make it 7 to 7 and starts chirping at me. Telling me how good he hit it. I don't say a word and keep my composure and get out the last rack to win.

Now I start barking at him to raise the bet. Next thing you know I am playing race to 11 for a dime. It is 2 to 1 mine and I play safe. I hook him just behind the 9 and he has a slight masse' to hit the 4. He masses around the 9hits the 4 but his cue stick hits the 9 driving it up table. The 9ball is headed at a very good rate of speed at the 4 and 7 ball. He reaches across the table and grabs the 9ball in motion and puts it back.

I said that is a foul the 9ball was moving, which was obvious, and he said I hit it with my cue and wanted to put it back. I said it was moving you can't grab a moving ball and if you did hit it with the cue you must wait for it to come to rest and I will let you know if I want it moved back. He refused to give in and said cueball fouls only. I said I will accept nothing less than CB in hand. Anyway I had a roadmap out with BIH and he didn't want to give in.

The house called foul and he still wouldn't give in. He got exactly what he wanted I quit. He wanted me to quit because he was out of his league betting 1k and his wasn't comfortable.

Question - 1. Should I have given in and kept playing?
2. What non violent action would you have taken?

My thoughts were if I let him get away with it and he won that rack I may never recover. Although I wanted to play so bad because I felt like I had the best of it. In the end, I learned a lot about him and needless to say we will never play again.
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It was a foul no matter if he snatched up the 9 ball by hand or not. If your shooting around an object ball, Such as a masse, The ball your shooting around can't move period.

I had that crap pulled on me at the DCC in the winners side and it cost me the match. I'm on the hill and got the guy on 2 fouls. He has to jack up and masse around the ball and moves it out of the way with his cue.

We argue over it, He had two of his buddies watching the match who both saw the shot.. I call over Scott Smith and explain the situation and he calls it a no foul because nobody saw it. The bad things was this guy and him were friends.

So I feel I got an unfair call to a known to be obvious foul.. You can't move a ball your shooting around when hooked. No matter if by hand, cue, whatever or it is an automatic foul. In this case the cue ball went right through where the edge of the ball was that he moved with his cue.

Anyway, If you knew you had the nuts on the guy and the money was posted, I would of said "your right no foul" and went ahead and got the cash..

I'll assume the money was not posted since you just said I quit..

Now what you do, If your not worried about it going to another level other than talk.. Is get him in front of people and tell him each time you see him he can get that action again but with a ref to make all calls on your match and no talking between the two players.

Then say he either lacks confidence to win or the money if he turns down that offer.. He might give in and play feeling pressured to not look like a chump in front of all the people you keep saying this in front of. :D

All of this of course is if your feeling raw over the deal and want to beat him bad. hehe
 
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Nine Ball said:
It was a foul no matter if he snatched up the 9 ball by hand or not. If your shooting around an object ball, Such as a masse, The ball your shooting around can't move period.

I had that crap pulled on me at the DCC in the winners side and it cost me the match. I'm on the hill and got the guy on 2 fouls. He has to jack up and masse around the ball and moves it out of the way with his cue.

We argue over it, He had two of his buddies watching the match who both saw the shot.. I call over Scott Smith and explain the situation and he calls it a no foul because nobody saw it. The bad things was this guy and him were friends.

So I feel I got an unfair call to a known to be obvious foul.. You can't move a ball your shooting around when hooked. No matter if by hand, cue, whatever or it is an automatic foul.

Anyway, If you knew you had the nuts on the guy and the money was posted, I would of said "your right no foul" and went ahead and got the cash..

I'll assume the money was not posted since you just said I quit..

Now what you do, If your not worried about it going to another level other than talk.. Is get him in front of people and tell him each time you see him he can get that action again but with a ref to make all calls on your match and no talking between the two players.

Then say he either lacks confidence to win or the money if he turns down that offer.. He might give in and play feeling pressured to not look like a chump in front of all the people you keep saying this in front of. :D

All of this of course is if your feeling raw over the deal and want to beat him bad. hehe
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To add:

Make sure you post up and make sure you win after all this if it works.. or you will never hear the end of it. haha
 
Lesson learned for free

Future....

Have a rule book in your bag and KNOW it. Agree beforehand to play by those rules with whatever exceptions you agree on. Hard to argue with that!!

td
 
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