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03-07-2013, 03:15 PM

[QUOTE=jt's06sti;4054748]This will be my last post.. i want to start w a apology to racefornine and everyone in the apa nationals. i know what we did was wrong and i made myself look like a idiot trying to justify it.

I can accept that . I guess it was naive to think this thread would not go in this direction . I said before I had accepted what happened to us , I wasn't happy but moved on . This thread was started because I feel the APA is not being fair to its members on this issue . I was hoping to hear from the AZ community , and see if there is anything they would do or think I should do as far as the APA goes .
  
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03-07-2013, 03:17 PM

also, i will clear this up bc it seems to be asked several times...

every team we played will get a invite back. also every team that played the other 2 teams DQ'd will also

HOWEVER they will have to pay their way, apa covers entry thats it..you pay flight ,hotel, expenses...

i personally know this bc one of my good friends team was beat by a team that got dq'd and this is what they did for them 2 yrs ago.

if you are beat by a team that gets dq'd on spot, you move on like what happened in semi finals, the team we played got drilled in 4 matches in semi's...
  
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03-07-2013, 03:18 PM

thanks dave...

i can assure you apa is taking care of this, we got certified letters and are dealing w them currently and makeing all the arangments to take care of this with them.

this is far from being "scooted under the rug" you dont need to contact them to ensure that.. this is a big deal w our league op also, theyre getting punished too.

just because theyre not publishing this doenst mean theyre not doing anything. Think about it would you want to advertise this happened? im sure this has happened several times before and every yr theres dq's. They dont want the negative on theyre name, everyone remebers negatives, not the good...

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03-07-2013, 03:19 PM

15k is a lot to ship back to the APA. If you guys do that, kudos to you all for doing the right thing. If the money gets sent back, please consider updating the thread.

It will start the obvious question which the OP raised, which is the APA decision to give to charity.

I personally think the APA should at the very least extend to all the teams that played you a Nationals spot to come play in the show again. There of course will be the issue of how many of these teams can go back to nationals with the same roster or if they would be allowed to change the roster. Thats actually a bit humorous to consider based on what the gist of all that has happened to get to this point.


Comparing this to the BCA debacle of the Taiwan open players is not really apples to apple because in that instance the BCA officials were more negligent to allow both of those players to advance through a 1000 player field only to DQ them at the end. Especially considering all the complaints that were voiced about those players all through the event, they waited until the very end to take action and by that time the collateral damage in the brackets was enormous. In this instance, there hasnt been any indication that the APA knew of this and allowed anything to continue, so a similar response as what happened in the BCA open singles is probably not a fair comparison. Regardless, Im sure the 15k will be a point contention among all the APA teams that were affected by this fraud.
  
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03-07-2013, 03:30 PM

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also, i will clear this up bc it seems to be asked several times...

every team we played will get a invite back. also every team that played the other 2 teams DQ'd will also

HOWEVER they will have to pay their way, apa covers entry thats it..you pay flight ,hotel, expenses...

i personally know this bc one of my good friends team was beat by a team that got dq'd and this is what they did for them 2 yrs ago.

if you are beat by a team that gets dq'd on spot, you move on like what happened in semi finals, the team we played got drilled in 4 matches in semi's...
We were offered nothing , when I asked for there decision in writing Catie said she could not , if I wanted I could get something from there lawyers but I would have to wait . My LO said none of the teams affected will receive any consideration .
  
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03-07-2013, 03:58 PM

Where is the cheating team located?

You folks who got cheated are a lot nicer than I.
  
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03-07-2013, 04:17 PM

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Imo, if you disqualify a team in the money, each team below that team moves up one spot in the payout and the team that busted on the money bubble is now in the money. That's how it is handled in poker and it seems fair to me.
Too fair and obvious for the APA. WTF do they care as long as the money machine keeps rolling. BTW who gets the tax benefits of a donation? They do.

They make a fortune at these tournaments from the casinos who filltheir hotels and gaming floirs. The payouts are nothing compared to what they take in.When there is a problem they wont make any decision based on right and wrong, just dollars and cents.

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03-07-2013, 04:18 PM

Boycott TAP! While these fools are allowed in the league anyway.
  
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03-07-2013, 04:44 PM

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You're kidding right? Been playing and running leagues out here for 10 years and never have I seen nor heard allegations of cheating in any way.

JC
What league is that?

I've never, ever, in almost 20 years of playing the big 3 leagues and having been at nationals ever seen a league without sandbagging.

Local? Yes. Regional/national? Hell no. They all have sandbagging and ratings shenanigans going on.
  
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03-07-2013, 05:06 PM

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Boycott TAP! While these fools are allowed in the league anyway.
I would love to comment about handicap leagues but I know I'd get kicked out of the league for my comments.
  
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03-07-2013, 05:19 PM

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We were offered nothing , when I asked for there decision in writing Catie said she could not , if I wanted I could get something from there lawyers but I would have to wait . My LO said none of the teams affected will receive any consideration .
please let us know when ya get ya invite back!!
it is a past practice
unless ya piss em off
then i guess anything is possible?
  
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03-07-2013, 05:26 PM

I think had the apology and different tone came earlier whether sincere or not people here would have thought much differently.

With the comments about your league compared to others I would wonder if the scoresheets are marked correctly regarding table size or if your LO is entering them correctly. It was stated that the team played on 9fters and if not marked properly on score sheet it could cause an issue.
  
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If the APA cared to... - 03-07-2013, 06:14 PM

they could easily sue these people in civil court for damages and attorney fees. Surely they have legal counsel available. This would require commitment of money and taking the risk , but they would demonstrate their commitment to mandating fair play. Hell just spend a few hundred and serve them legal papers. Most of the time those who are guilty pay to avoid having to spend money to lawyer up. A civil court judge would nail them to the wall.

In place of that YOU GET NOTHING!!!

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03-07-2013, 06:59 PM

I joined this site because I was interested in getting more serious, and probably joining TAP, BCA, or APA. Been recruited by all 3. I've seen a thread pretty much weekly dealing with drama, in one or the other. This thread pretty much sealed my decision. Life's too short, ill stick with my local bar league and tournaments.
  
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03-07-2013, 07:13 PM

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I joined this site because I was interested in getting more serious, and probably joining TAP, BCA, or APA. Been recruited by all 3. I've seen a thread pretty much weekly dealing with drama, in one or the other. This thread pretty much sealed my decision. Life's too short, ill stick with my local bar league and tournaments.
I can not say this with enough sincerity, please don't let all of the prima dona's on this site change your mind. There is more good coming from leagues, than the negative.

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