Of course your last sentence is rooted in additional ignorance. Although rare it does exist. Basically you lack the fundamental knowledge and understanding to participate in the discussion. OL suggests you read a book.
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With respect, I think you need to do a little homework. It isn't common but it is far from unknown. The most commonly used low number is 1.7%. The lowest number I could find was only a hundredth of that. However, considering that there are 8.1 billion people on earth that still means there are roughly 1,500,000 people who were born with male and female organs. Other claims run as high as one in fifteen hundred births which would mean roughly 5,400,000 people on earth now were born with both male and female reproductive organs.
Not too surprising to find that people with male and female organs exist when we all start off as females.
You are right about it existing of course. Often internal reproductive organs. A surprisingly high number for external abnormalities too though, the low side number seems to be one in two-thousand. Considering that there are 8.1 billion people on earth this morning even things that are rare on an individual basis are substantially represented when considering the entire world population.
I once knew a woman that claimed to have been born with both external organs. As is fairly common with abnormal running gear, the doctors and parents made a decision what the child would be raised as and they were surgically altered soon after birth. Since this is a matter of guesswork and parental preference, there is the potential for error. She appeared to be a woman and functioned as a woman, sleeping with men. Since I didn't know her on that level I have no idea about what she looked or felt like.
Veering towards the original topic of the thread, I knew a trans lady that had many surgeries back in the seventies and eighties. I happened to be sitting near a guy that was quite intoxicated that bragged he had slept with her the night before, I suspect equally intoxicated. Without mentioning why I asked how she was to sleep with. He said she was wonderful. I didn't push it too far. If she was happy, he was happy, why should it matter to anyone else or why should anyone mention to him that she was transsexual.
I did and do think of her as female as she had always dressed and behaved as a lady from the first time I met her. She would work long enough to pay for a surgery, go away to have the surgery, come back and repeat the process over and over. One day when she had just came back to work her boss asked what she was now and casually reached over and pulled out the bottom of her bikini to see for himself. Different times!
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With respect, I think you need to do a little homework. It isn't common but it is far from unknown.
It appears you may be correct, though the medical definition is not what people are thinking when they see the term. These people could play in either category of XX XY divisions as I was suggesting
It appears you may be correct, though the medical definition is not what people are thinking when they see the term. These people could play in either category of XX XY divisions as I was suggesting
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I learned long ago it was a waste of time to do research for other people. I did my homework before making that post. Now I suggest you do yours.
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I edited my reply about 10 seconds after I sent it. You were too quick lol.
Let's jump off that bridge when we get to it. I have not heard that the guy referred to in this thread who is stealing the titles from the women, has both organs.
Someone born with both can get an exemption afaic. I wonder if their testosterone levels vary case by case. If that is the case, they may have a difficult time being what their parents chose at birth.
Reminds me of that female fighter from a couple years ago who got smashed in the ring by a guy claiming to be feel like a woman, and allowed to fight actual women.
Her (female) face was fubar and she said she had never been hit so hard in her life.
But yeah, let the guys in wherever they want. smh
I don’t think anyone here has suggested to let the guys in wherever they want.
You seem content to abandon rational conversations to blow every whistle possible.
Yep. This is why you can't separate by testosterone level. A lifetime of body development as a male is not erased by hormone therapy. That muscle growth still occurred. Not only that, male muscle development is different in more than just size/amount. XX and XY never change
Where do the people who are xxy play?
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She has a high bar, communicating science to a public that doesn't really want to hear it. However, she does reference a lot of the research. What I found interesting was the references to how the IOC is handling this issue, and wondering if that will apply to anything WPA sanctioned. If those are still the procedures being used by the IOC.
It does take her a while to get to some of the relevant information though.
Which is why he/she feels the need to play against females. I have sympathy for those who choose a difficult lifestyle, but absolutely no sympathy for those that try to take advantage because they/them can’t play a sport competitively without trying to garner an unfair advantage.
You can argue all you want about male female advantage in the game of pool, but the facts are that men have traditionally played on a higher level. If that weren’t the case, there would never have been a division between men and women’s competitions.
Has common sense disappeared?
Either having open non-handicapped tournaments for everyone or having open handicapped tournaments where everyone is handicapped accordingly based on their skill level avoids all these issues! The only issue then for the TD is whether everyone is handicapped properly / fairly, which is not an easy task.
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The only p#$$% in the match so it turns out
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