imagine if TAR had 28,000 viewers for a match

Fast Lenny

Faster Than You...
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People talk about the 78,000,000 for the IP stream and those numbers came from it being on the home page of Ustream. Ustream gets millions of hits to its homepage everyday so those numbers over the week or so that IP was on there transferred over. So did IP get 78,000,000 views, well sort of but true viewer numbers were probably in the tens of thousands I would be guessing.

I think when I did the stream in Mountain View a couple months ago and averaged around 500 viewers coming and going for 5 days, the numbers from the metrics report were around 30,000 unique IPs. We never hit the home page of Ustream and saw the spike that sends your numbers through the roof showing that you have millions of views and flawing the numbers, but for a small time single cam deal the numbers were good. If it were PPV I probably would have had 30, haha, a good deal of pool players are cheap complaining about paying a buck for a bottle of water and that is okay with me because its a hobby/interest not a livelihood thankfully. I do put in way too much time though and spent plenty of money out of pocket on stuff.

I do hope those like TAR and Accu-Stats do make it considering the tens of thousands spent on equipment and everything else. I think Justin starting a TAR fan page on Facebook is a good step in the right direction, but one way we can all help is by sharing the links for live streams via email, Facebook or just bumping the threads on here so new people are exposed and drawn into it. I know there is money to be made off of all the content TAR has, it is all just sitting there in the can and I believe when Justin has a new site built with the on demand it will have new revenue coming in. I feel TAR has came a long way in the past 5 years, from the little webcam or camera to a studio in Vegas.

One thing that really gets me is the lack of sponsorship for the streamers out there and also players too. I see pretty much the same handful of companies like OB, Kamui, Simonis and a few others who support streaming. If you have a company that is pool related and making money or looking to make new money with new customers then it would be a good idea to look into sponsoring streams. Even if your company is an online business you might see some benefit from it depending on the product. When the streams are pulling tens of thousands of viewers legitimately I would say that its better value than advertising in a pool mag or paper especially when the ad is in your face on a stream instead of skimmed over in a paper ad.
 

SpiderWebComm

HelpImBeingOppressed
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If you take 80000000 people and ask them to pull out their credit card..... you get.... about what TAR gets.

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Fast Lenny

Faster Than You...
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From someone who does try to promote TAR (on my website, telling people, etc.), here is an idea, expanding on another idea already mentioned:

Ask the pro players who are going to play in a TAR match to promote the match, and offer to pay them a percentage of the PPV fees over a certain amount (e.g., 10% of the PPV fees after your break-even cost has been covered).

The players are getting paid pretty well for these challenge matches IMO and should promote it just because it makes sense. If its successful they will continue to have opportunities like this with TAR and as the viewers grow so will the money in time.
 

justadub

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The players are getting paid pretty well for these challenge matches IMO and should promote it just because it makes sense. If its successful they will continue to have opportunities like this with TAR and as the viewers grow so will the money in time.

Not to mention that they would endear themselves to Justin by trying to help the PPV...that could certainly be a good thing, as opposed to those who can't seem to understand that concept and feel the need to be at odds with him. Doesn't make much sense to me, but then again, I run a business. Some of these players don't seem to understand these concepts....
 

Fast Lenny

Faster Than You...
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Not to mention that they would endear themselves to Justin by trying to help the PPV...that could certainly be a good thing, as opposed to those who can't seem to understand that concept and feel the need to be at odds with him. Doesn't make much sense to me, but then again, I run a business. Some of these players don't seem to understand these concepts....

I am glad Justin is not going to work with the cry babies and poor sports because I hate watching most of them, stick with the good guys and players who are good reps of the game. It is important to be a human being and help other human beings. I have helped people and been helped, some appreciate it and are grateful to this day as am I but others act as if its owed to them and did not appreciate the helping hand or support. I swear that some people are really aliens, especially some of the pro pool players with egos out of this world and the sense of entitlement is laughable. "Don't you know who I am?! I am the best pool player in the world!" The crickets start chirping and a bear $hits in the woods but no one smells it. :grin:
 

justadub

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Just look around, and listen some too. Any time a show comes to town, be it the circus, monster truck shows, pro wrestling, concerts....you name it, someone from the organization does promotion for it, trying to help make the show a success.

Yet that concept seems foreign in the pool world.

I don't get it.
 

chefjeff

If not now...
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Just look around, and listen some too. Any time a show comes to town, be it the circus, monster truck shows, pro wrestling, concerts....you name it, someone from the organization does promotion for it, trying to help make the show a success.

Yet that concept seems foreign in the pool world.

I don't get it.

It's because marketing, being by far the highest value in business, is hard, usually expensive work. When an artist creates something, he usually thinks his product is so good is should sell itself. This tends to push marketing down the priority scale.

We here love pool so much that we think it should be loved as much by others without us having to market it as it needs to be. Until this paradigm changes, pool will lag other tv sports.

One advantage we lonely pool players have is when each of us does a little marketing on our own, it pays off, percentage-wise for the whole game.

For example, the next time at league, pull out your smart phone and let your teammates watch how pool should really be played. Those guys are living on their phones anyway during league, why not push a little pool excellence on them? It could help pool and your team.

fwiw,

Jeff Livingston
 

JCIN

TheActionReport.com
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From someone who does try to promote TAR (on my website, telling people, etc.), here is an idea, expanding on another idea already mentioned:

Ask the pro players who are going to play in a TAR match to promote the match, and offer to pay them a percentage of the PPV fees over a certain amount (e.g., 10% of the PPV fees after your break-even cost has been covered).

We are already paying them a minimum of $1500 with a max of $4500 for playing pool for about 12 hours. If players are not smart enough to figure out its in their best interests to help out the people paying that rate then I dont want to work with them because they are too dumb to deal with.

The list is slowing getting smaller until we we either get a list of guys who get it and will pull in the same direction or we just burn all the way out and go into porn. (Back up plan all along)

Paying out more money to the players is not the answer.
 

CocoboloCowboy

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If TAR had 28,000 viewers for a match this would mean they could sell advertising to many companies who want to target the 28K viewers for their products, and services.
 

elvicash

AzB Silver Member
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28,000 viewers watching a free stream wouldnt change anything in pool. All we need is 1000 people on this planet who will pay $15 a day to watch the best players on earth play. I believe its doable and the limiting factor is I am still learning how to do all this stuff as I go.

What keeps me up nights is thinking "What if there isnt a thousand people on earth who will pay $15 a day to watch the best players on earth play?"

Wrap your head around that if you really want to start thinking about the future of pro pool.

Keep aiming high JCIN as you build it they continue to come.

What you / we (the pool believers) need is a 100,000 people who will pay $20/year for access to your upcoming PPV on demand site, I know the price will not be there at first but the value is going to be discovered. Let the non members pay per event for the live shows and then you have a model where you can do something. You might ask where are these 100,000 people they are the APA players, the BCA and Valley players, they are the bangers who have not yet hear dof TAR could not pick Efren out of a linup but they like pool, some of them will buy when they hear of your product. We need the league players to know about more than just going to the bar and playing a league match and how does that happen continue to push the bars to show the streams to get the awareness out in pool world. I do not know how the last free stream went for you overall but I know there was interest and talk of the PPV in Indy at Brickyard - thanks again. I think you are doing a heck of a job, just keep chipping away buddy do not let any of the haters get you down.
 

Scott Lee

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JCIN...Tap, tap, tap! Greed kills...

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We are already paying them a minimum of $1500 with a max of $4500 for playing pool for about 12 hours. If players are not smart enough to figure out its in their best interests to help out the people paying that rate then I dont want to work with them because they are too dumb to deal with.

The list is slowing getting smaller until we we either get a list of guys who get it and will pull in the same direction or we just burn all the way out and go into porn. (Back up plan all along)

Paying out more money to the players is not the answer.
 

derekdisco

We woulda won state!
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If TAR had 28,000 viewers for a match this would mean they could sell advertising to many companies who want to target the 28K viewers for their products, and services.
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Nick B

This is gonna hurt
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I have been to TAR studio. All Justin needs is a couple more couches, a shower and a bunch of "Toys" and he redefines the word "Action". Hell Diamond might even send him a free 10 footer for all the Porn views.

First feature title..."Diamond does Vegas".

Nick


We are already paying them a minimum of $1500 with a max of $4500 for playing pool for about 12 hours. If players are not smart enough to figure out its in their best interests to help out the people paying that rate then I dont want to work with them because they are too dumb to deal with.

The list is slowing getting smaller until we we either get a list of guys who get it and will pull in the same direction or we just burn all the way out and go into porn. (Back up plan all along)

Paying out more money to the players is not the answer.
 

DogsPlayingPool

"What's in your wallet?"
Silver Member
I was watching the rover Curiosity land on Mars today on a stream and saw that it peaked at around 28,000 online viewers at one point. I think Justin would sh*t himself if he had that many viewers for a TAR match!

How much was the PPV for the stream of the Mars rover landing?

I'd love to see it happen but I doubt it will only take a couple of years. I'm not sure there are 28,000 total potential viewers after you deduct all the nits in this game who won't even pay $1 for a bottle of water.
 

Flake

Banned
playpool2...Wow! Poor judgement call on your part, at best. At worst, your comments are out and out BS. You don't know anything about how Justin does or doesn't market TAR matches. BTW, there are almost 100,000 visitors to this site, so 10,000 would not be out of reality. If you think you could do it so much better, why don't you call up JCIN and offer your superior marketing services. No doubt he'd readily accept, since "his marketing efforts are poor at best"! Poor choice of words, imo.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

you're funny as hell, playpool2 I totally agree with you
 

JCIN

TheActionReport.com
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How much was the PPV for the stream of the Mars rover landing?

I'd love to see it happen but I doubt it will only take a couple of years. I'm not sure there are 28,000 total potential viewers after you deduct all the nits in this game who won't even pay $1 for a bottle of water.

Forget 28,000...all we need is 1000.

I get that there is always something more you can do but seriously....we have been at this five years now. Accu-Stats has been around twenty but I dont see anyone busting Pat's balls because he didnt find a way to get tens of thousands of people to pay for pool. I have an idea what numbers Accu-Stats does on events and for the most part on comprable length events we are in the same ball park. The streaming audience who will pay is pretty much what it is. At this point we are trying to gain five or ten people at a time.

Its a hell of a lot harder to get people to buy something online than most people think.
 

JCIN

TheActionReport.com
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you're funny as hell, playpool2 I totally agree with you

Thank you for the substantive addition of such wise observation to this conversation. It is truly a statement for the ages.
 
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