Scott frost has retired from professional pool
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I cannot imagine my other half working as a card dealer in a casino.
Gambling entities may not be a good fit for some pool players. I'm not saying everybody is addicted to gambling, but some folks' priorities go out the window in a casino environment.
Most hardcore gamblers have no families, no loved ones. Gambling to them takes priority.
I'm not sure how old Scott Frost is, but the military would be a great place for a man to learn a vocation or begin a career. Benefits are lifelong.
Gambling entities may not be a good fit for some pool players. I'm not saying everybody is addicted to gambling, but some folks' priorities go out the window in a casino environment.
Most hardcore gamblers have no families, no loved ones. Gambling to them takes priority.
I'm not sure how old Scott Frost is, but the military would be a great place for a man to learn a vocation or begin a career. Benefits are lifelong.
I don't find it sad that Scott is moving on with his life and choosing a new direction. What I find sad is that the pool industry is failing itself and the players. For Scott and many others like him I would raise my glass in a toast and congratulate them on attaining the highest level possible in pool. Good Luck Scott, I hope you can find a career that brings you as much personal fulfillment as you had with pool!
I agree with you Smoke but it would need a a short shot clock 20/24 or something and perhaps multiple tables ala golf so something is always happening People would like to see balls ran and playing into a break shot creating end patterns etc would quickly be appreciated by the audience. Just like anything it would need exposure, distribution, quality commentary, advertisers beyond pool supplies and something to draw the watchers in including players personalities not just pool shooting robots. If it was on TV it would be watched but that step seems to be hard for pool.
Dealing Cards
Good luck Scott,The great Eddie Kelly has been dealing cards for over 20 years. He straighten his life by getting a job dealing.I was told he makes very good monies. Good luck again, FastEddieF.
Good luck Scott,The great Eddie Kelly has been dealing cards for over 20 years. He straighten his life by getting a job dealing.I was told he makes very good monies. Good luck again, FastEddieF.
I'm not sure how old Scott Frost is, but the military would be a great place for a man to learn a vocation or begin a career. Benefits are lifelong.
The Military is downsizing, and getting in is tough. You almost have to have the same qualifications as to get into a good college to be selected for the Military in 2013.
It is tough to work a whole year to make what he want(ed) to bet in a single evening.
Gonna be a shock, ga-ron-teed.
Gonna be a shock, ga-ron-teed.
I cannot imagine my other half working as a card dealer in a casino.
Gambling entities may not be a good fit for some pool players. I'm not saying everybody is addicted to gambling, but some folks' priorities go out the window in a casino environment.
Most hardcore gamblers have no families, no loved ones. Gambling to them takes priority.
I'm not sure how old Scott Frost is, but the military would be a great place for a man to learn a vocation or begin a career. Benefits are lifelong.
Pool players don't take orders well
. Johnnyt
Pool players don't take orders well
How do they feel about doing it for $10/ hr...before takes and other withholdings?
RBC
Deceased
Quesports
I find this comment confusing.
First, as par of "the pool industry", I don't feel that it's failing. It's certainly down, and down significantly, but it is alive and well. Look at how many people play pool every day, week or month. The nationally sanctioned leagues are hanging in there, and there are way more league players in smaller individual or non sanctioned leagues than in the sanctioned ones.
Second, I don't feel "the pool industry" is failing the players. Now, by "players" I'm assuming you mean pro players, and not the millions of amateur players out there who play on a regular basis. So, as far as the "Pro Players" go , yes they are hurting, and hurting badly. As part of "the pool industry" I would love to be able to do something to help them. But, sponsoring a "pro player" is not a charitable contribution. It is a business investment and must have a return to be sustainable. We do sponsor players, and right now there aren't many of us who do. But, we sponsor players who get us, at least some return on our investment. Most of the time anyway. We are fortunate to being growing in a tough economy.
I often feel that "pool" and "pro pool" are often lumped together, and that's not really the way it is. And that is unfortunate. Most professional sports or games grow out of the actual game or sport itself. But in pool, the "pro pool" world is virtually separate from the amateur pool world or "the pool industry". Most amateur pool players, even the hard core passionate ones, wouldn't recognize many of the "pro pool" players if they met them. I see this at every event when we have Alex Pagulayan and Corey Deuel in our booth. Invariably, someone will come up to me and whisper, "who is that?". I really believe that this is why there really is no "pro tour". A tour can't exist without people who want to follow it, watch it, and patronize it. After all, it's us fans that pay all the bills of a tour and it's players.
I believe that "pro pool" is in an adjustment phase. Like many others who have posted in this thread, I too think that it's great that Scott has decided to better himself and his future. And I also agree that this won't end his pool playing days, only the time where he expected to make his living from it. Maybe someday, "pro pool" will grow back out of the admiration and patronage of the "pool world" and be a great addition to it, and not something that is completely separated from it. I hope to see that day, and the sooner the better for everyone in pool.
I'm certainly not meaning to bust your chops. I just saw it as an opportunity to share my thoughts as a member of "the pool industry". I think that all those involved in "pool" would love to see a successful "pro tour". But it just won't work if it's not done the right way for the right reasons.
Thanks for giving your views on the subject and I agree with you, perhaps my comment should have been more thought out. I also agree with the sponsoring of pro players and remember very well when Karen Corr lost her sponsorship several years ago and could not find another. Either way I appreciate your saying you were not busting my chops and just stating your view. As a long time pool player I fondly remember the days when you had to wait for a table sometimes it seemed like forever!! Let's hope you are correct, this is a period of adjustment and that the pool halls that are large enough to be viable for tournaments can find a way to survive and prosper!
I couldn't agree more.
The pool industry, as a whole, generates a WHOOOOOOLE lot of money. But it's spread very thing and nobody actually gets a big chunk of that money. For instance, look at the money spent on cues in a year. For lack of an accurate number, lets say there is $20 million spent on buying cues per year. If there were 15-20 that actually made cues, cue companies would be booming and be able to sponsor many players, tournaments and events as they would have an excess of money. But aside from the major cue companies, Predator, OB, Mezz, etc... you also have all of those custom cue makers all over the planet that are spreading that money thin and watering down the market. If everyone has their hand in the cookie jar, you don't get a whole lot of cookie. That said, I'm not pointing fingers, just saying it is what it is.
Forget about the money for a second. How is Scott going to handle going from being;
SCOTT FROST - 1 POCKET CHAMPION
to wearing a badge that says;
Hello my name is
Scott Frost
Phoenix, AZ
Scott Frost
Phoenix, AZ
I'm not saying that Scott isn't going to succeed in his new profession, but he's coming from a situation where he gets to set the terms for EVERY aspect of his life; when he wakes up, when he eats, when he practices, when/where/who he plays, how much he plays for, etc...
How's that going to compare to waiting for your break every 2 hours while working the swing shift at some grind joint off the strip, being told when you can take eat, p!ss and sh!t? All the while you're hoping for some drunk schmo to catch a lucky streak so you can get toked?
I understand he's got to pay the bills, but this is going to be a HUGE paradigm shift for him.
Nahming?
Taek
IMHO it is not possible to make any kind of a decent living playing Pool professionally, like when Willie Mosconi was a Brunswick Employee, with a Benefit Package, and Regular Pay Check. How many Pro player have a nice home, nice car, money in the bank, and medical, dental, and vision insurance.
Today if a pro player is lucky they can eking out an existence after paying their way to tournaments to play, paying to get their entry, paying for a room to sleep in, paying for meals, paying their own way for the most part. Or give most of what they win to a back as they have little saving.
How many Pro Players die broke, in many cases friends, and families pass a hat to bury em the Pro pool Player.
Few Pro Pool Players have Sponsorship Deals that provide they the kind of ENDORSEMENT INCOME many professional athletes in other sports have. Getting a Free Cue, Chalk, or Case don't provide an income stream, unless you are selling as fast as you get em.
Part of the reason for this non support of Pool, is it has had a negative image for as long as I can remember. The sport is not governed or sanctioned by ONE GOVERNING BODY.
So you have many big fish, with their own little pond work against each other. Why is not the BCAPL, APA, ACS, etc., and others group not working together in a single direction, working together, not against one another, or combining under one brand name?
How many times on this forum has there been a post about some promoter not pay off players, after winning some large or small event.
When was the last time Tiger Woods placed, or won some PGA Event, and got no pay, or a check that bounced?
JMHO from what I see, and where I sit.
Today if a pro player is lucky they can eking out an existence after paying their way to tournaments to play, paying to get their entry, paying for a room to sleep in, paying for meals, paying their own way for the most part. Or give most of what they win to a back as they have little saving.
How many Pro Players die broke, in many cases friends, and families pass a hat to bury em the Pro pool Player.
Few Pro Pool Players have Sponsorship Deals that provide they the kind of ENDORSEMENT INCOME many professional athletes in other sports have. Getting a Free Cue, Chalk, or Case don't provide an income stream, unless you are selling as fast as you get em.
Part of the reason for this non support of Pool, is it has had a negative image for as long as I can remember. The sport is not governed or sanctioned by ONE GOVERNING BODY.
So you have many big fish, with their own little pond work against each other. Why is not the BCAPL, APA, ACS, etc., and others group not working together in a single direction, working together, not against one another, or combining under one brand name?
How many times on this forum has there been a post about some promoter not pay off players, after winning some large or small event.
When was the last time Tiger Woods placed, or won some PGA Event, and got no pay, or a check that bounced?
JMHO from what I see, and where I sit.
I think Royce pretty much said it all. I especially agree with him in that most - if not all - pro players feel that sponsorship is a charitable contribution. They feel that people who are in the business end of the industry are indebted to the pool world for making their businesses successful, and they should, therefore, give something back. And, of course, the pro players' idea of giving back is to sponsor them because they feel they are the ones who are primarily responsible for the success of the industry. Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is exactly what Royce said it is: amateur pool and the industry are doing fine; it's the pro players, who have separated themselves from the amateurs and rest of the industry, that are hurting. The pro players have never learned that accepting help from a sponsor actually puts them in a partnership with that sponsor. Almost every sponsor has a product or service to sell, and it becomes sponsored players' responsibilities to help their "employers" sell whatever they are offering. And without living up to those responsibilities, there are no "jobs" for those players. That's just simple economics.
Roger
Just the same as it was in 1999............
Hi there Scott,
Your old buddy Geno..I still remember the days back when you were about as skinny as a fence post. I'd see you and Don McCoy at many of the tournys.
Pool is still like it was back then, in fact it might be even tougher. Expenses are much higher on the road.
If it wasn't for the perfect Aim that I teach there is no way that i could have stayed on the road for most of the last 4 years. That in itself is an accomplishment.
You'll come back to pool because you love the game. Might be a week and it might be 5 years but you will be back. Especially if something kicks up in our pool world.
Good job there with what you have accomplished and for giving Bonus Ball a good run.
Looking forward to seeing you when I come down to Phoenix which might not be too far off.
This is where My Perfect Aim started. And this is where we meet again after not seeing each other for years.
I quit for 10 years. Nothing wrong with taking a break.
I know the competition will appreciate not having to play you.
Good luck my friend.......
Hi there Scott,
Your old buddy Geno..I still remember the days back when you were about as skinny as a fence post. I'd see you and Don McCoy at many of the tournys.
Pool is still like it was back then, in fact it might be even tougher. Expenses are much higher on the road.
If it wasn't for the perfect Aim that I teach there is no way that i could have stayed on the road for most of the last 4 years. That in itself is an accomplishment.
You'll come back to pool because you love the game. Might be a week and it might be 5 years but you will be back. Especially if something kicks up in our pool world.
Good job there with what you have accomplished and for giving Bonus Ball a good run.
Looking forward to seeing you when I come down to Phoenix which might not be too far off.
This is where My Perfect Aim started. And this is where we meet again after not seeing each other for years.
I quit for 10 years. Nothing wrong with taking a break.
I know the competition will appreciate not having to play you.
Good luck my friend.......
That would put revenue per maker in the $1-1.3mil per year. Peanuts! They really couldnt do much for anybody. There are grocery stores in NY and Ct that take in that in 4-5 days. If YOU worked every day you'd make half that!
I cannot imagine my other half working as a card dealer in a casino.
Gambling entities may not be a good fit for some pool players. I'm not saying everybody is addicted to gambling, but some folks' priorities go out the window in a casino environment.
Most hardcore gamblers have no families, no loved ones. Gambling to them takes priority.
I'm not sure how old Scott Frost is, but the military would be a great place for a man to learn a vocation or begin a career. Benefits are lifelong.
Are you crazy?
I would never recommend that.
You have a commander in chief has no regard for human life. Remember our ambassador?
The same nitwits that voted for Obama are going to vote for Hillary. Ask the wifes and loved ones of the folks in Benganzi, "What difference does it make?"
Scott has made choices and he is a grown man. Lets support him, wish him the best of luck.
I know I do.
Ken
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