What speed does it take to beat the 9ball ghost on a 9ft table with sub 4 inch pockets in a race to 11? Just curious to what people think
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Sub 4-inch?
It would take a pro.
-Andrew
It would take a pro.
-Andrew
yea sub 4. 4inch in the very front of the pocket 3 7/8 in the back. Goldcrown.
Agreed. A strong A player might beat it this way occasionally, but probably wouldn't be the favorite to do so.
Aaron
I think it takes a good shortstop at least to win.
I think pockets are named by the measurement at the mouth. "Sub 4-inch" would mean less than 4" at the mouth.
pj
chgo
ok cool my bad 4 in the front
That's a 4.5-inch pocket (maybe 4 3/8"). A good shortstop should beat the ghost on that. I might even do it occasionally.
pj
chgo
No i promise its 4. Must be a bad picture.
Two balls = 4.5 inches. Maybe it's a little less, but not 1/2" less.
Anyway, if it is 4 inches I agree with others that it would take a pro.
pj
chgo
A small nit: the length of the race is not important. The question is whether a player can win, on average, more than 50% against the ghost.
I doubt that most of the top 32 pros could beat the ghost on that table, depending on the facings. There is a similar table where I play -- see the start of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2enopvFnTno. Anyone who wants to try the ghost can get a bet on it.
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THANKS bob for the post Ive seen that video. That tables pockets are almost identical looking
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I don't think you are measuing it right. You need to measure from the outside pocket (where the angle changes) to the opposite outside side pocket (where the angle changes) using the inside (as shown) part of the tape. It looks from what I can see at least 4 1/4".
However with a 4" OPENING of a pocket I believe it would take a very good shortstop or Pro to beat the ghost. This is assuming ramdom racking and not pattern racking (pattern racking seems to be the "thing" in todays pool).
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Looks like 4 3/8" to me, but you'd almost have to put a set of calipers on them to measure precisely from point to point. You can see the line in the felt where the cushion stops and the cushion facing starts; appears to be a 3/8" facing, which would reduce a 5" pocket to about 4 1/4". Honestly though, with cupped pocket facings and well worn felt, those pockets could play like they are under four inches. Throw in a set of balls that haven't been washed since the Clinton administration, and Orcollo wouldn't have to like the 9-ball ghost action. :wink:
Aaron
Aaron
At Magoo's the front two tables are like that and we have players who run out on them all day long. I do actually think the pockets are slightly bigger, but I would consider myself to be a player who can beat the ghost maybe half the time on a decent day playing on those tables. Playing on those tables to most of the regulars up there is 'normal' I am not one of the better players BTW.
I am rated a 7 in my pool hall. I guess that would be a 'B' player
I am rated a 7 in my pool hall. I guess that would be a 'B' player
When I had my rails done I had them cut to 4 inch openings. Anyways i agree a shortstop could probably beat it.
Yea its pretty tough.
The shelf on that table pictured is not very deep either. A similar sized pocket, pro cut on a diamond would be a harder table to fade. Just looking at the ways the balls sit in the pocket I think a touring pro would flat out rob the ghost on your table. High shortstop gets the cheese imo.