Thanks for the praise, Dan. Some people figure because I'm not a fan of jump cues in general, that I cannot use one. It couldn't be further from the truth, honestly.........
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Thanks for the praise, Dan. Some people figure because I'm not a fan of jump cues in general, that I cannot use one. It couldn't be further from the truth, honestly.........
I 'was' playing along actually.
<----- that why I use these. 
I guess is varies from person to person but I don't find great difficulty in 2 and/or 3 rails kicks. Often multiple rails have higher percantages than a single as I'm assuming you prbably know already.
Again , as most forum things go , you want to put extremes together.
Teaching how jump in 10 minutes is equal to be a good multi-rail kicker ?
How long to teach someone to be a very good jumper ? Pot balls and play shape ?
I can teach someone the principles of kicking on 3 minutes.
What about jumping into a kick ? :grin:
You know that we are talking about a pool table and not your Dining Table ...right??
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my money is on Van Damme
What if Norris is doing the jumping ?
That doesnt make you any less of a donkey though! hahahaha!
See you weds?
I'm off pool for a little while. Sarah had surgery today, and isn't able to do much aside from lay down on her stomach for the next month. I will be daddy daycare for the next few weeks.
We're playing in Oakville next session for TAP. The guys didn't want to drive to Hamilton. If I can get out at some point, I'll get in touch with you to play some sets.
Chuck Norris doesn't jump balls. If a ball is in Chuck Norris' way, it gets the f@#k out of his way......
yowza! That doesnt sound like too much fun.
I have school starting Monday so I 'should' be busy with that, but Im sure I can find some free time.
Shawn,
It's ok that you don't like them. But you state reasons for not liking them that are not factual.
Good safety play in the modern era (now) under the CURRENT rules is rewarded. Top players know how to play safe in order to TAKE AWAY the KICK SHOT, take away the JUMP SHOT, and take away the MASSE SHOT. It's called freezing the cueball to the object ball.
Sorry that you can't turn your dislike into credible and factual reasons. What's sad to me is that every time this topic comes up you can't just post a short and simple "I don't like them". Instead you post treatises of your own that have to be dissected again and again.
I can put a Water Buffalo on my jump cue and jump the cue ball a chalk's width away.
Compressible by what and whom? I asked you before what the criteria are and who enforces it?
No answer, as usual.
I can't quote factual reasons why gas charged piston fired cues shouldn't be used in pool, either. But they aren't legal........yet. In fact, I couldn't make a valid argument for why we use cloth on the table instead of suede. There are a bunch of things you cannot make valid arguments for - take for example that most of us would buy a Justis case even though you've CLEARLY proven your interior provides more protection. We're all kooks, I guess.
Jumping over a blocker is equal to a two rail kick? Jumping to pot is equal to a 3 rail kick?
So, how does inside and outside english affect your jump shots?
Neither is EQUAL to the other. Kicking and Jumping are two different disciplines.
FYI - ANY person on Earth who can shoot the cue ball in a straight line can learn to kick accurately, one, two, three, and four rails in about an hour. There are dozens of systems which give anyone this ability.
I use english on my jump shots all the time. Not really sure I understand your question.
If you do want to draw a parallel then giving someone a kicking system is the equivalent of giving them a jump cue. With both TOOLS the possibilities are expanded greatly and the resulting success depends ENTIRELY on the player's ABILITY to execute the shots.
You're a jumping god, John. You could put a marshmallow on the end of a twinkie and jump from an inch away.
You're financially motivated to support jump cues, so you should state "I've made a sh!tload of money from selling jump cues, so I'm in favour of them" every time you post regarding jump cues.
Kicking 1, 2 and 3 rails are affected by playing english on the cueball. Jumping isn't. If I put left hand spin on the cueball when I jump, I may have to account for a little swerve after the ball lands. If I apply left hand english off the rail when kicking, I have to account for a different angle when it comes off the rail. Saying you can teach someone to kick accurately off 1, 2 and 3 rails in about an hour is an absolute insult to any pool player that has worked on this part of their game. Go tell Grady what you think, and see if he agrees.
Kicking does not require english unless the shot specifically calls for it.
I don't know where you have learned to kick but you only need to put english on the ball when you want to do something specific, such as lengthen and shorten the path of the cue ball.
Look Shawn, it's really simple.
You have your opinions and I have mine.
The difference is that mine are based on ten year's of experience and literally hundreds of thousands of shots in dozens of locations.
My opinions on kicking come from the dozens of books and tapes and associations with many instructors such as Tom Rossmann who make a living doing just that.
Call Mark Smith, the owner of Beezers Billiards in Russselville Arkansas and ask him if Tom Rossmann didn't have his c and d player kicking accurately in less than an hour. I have hired Tom to teach players in private lessons and inside of two hours they were kicking and banking with accuracy.
If you don't believe me then I will be happy to arrange a match between one of Tom's female students and yourself. She can tell you the same things but I think you would prefer to see the proof.
In this case my friend you are the philosopher who doesn't have the experience to back up your theories. Yes you can play a little and perhaps you think that this qualifies you to hold forth as if your opinion should be mistaken for fact. It's not.
My viewpoint comes from actually KNOWING people like Grady and Tom and DOING exhibitions and lessons all over the world. I have taught rank amateurs to professional players the finer points of jumping balls. Have you ever even met either of these people?
Grady puts out videos that shave years off the learning curve in one pocket, banks, and kicks. Banking and Kicking systems go even further and shave months off of learning them Grady's way.
So, essentially because you have no answer to the logic of the debate you resort to the basest and easiest retort.
Who should be more equipped to defend the merits of using the product than the people who produce the product?
I have an OBLIGATION to the players and room owners to provide a product that works as advertised and does not harm the equipment.
Someone like you has no such obligation. You don't even need to be truthful or factual. This is fun for you to knock jump cues.
It's not fun for me to have to defend against your baseless points every time one of these arguments comes up. I need to make one post and copy/paste it each time.
So lets then address your point, I am a salesman. Um, I believe that I state this disclaimer about every second post. In fact Shawn I think I stated it on the very post I made in this thread that I introduced the Bunjee in order to set the stage for giving my opinion on the subject.
I have never hid that fact.
Now I am a salesman for billiard equipment and jump cues are a SMALL part - TINY PART of that business. In fact if they were banned tomorrow it wouldn't even be a blip on our balance sheet.
I argue the pro side because it deserves to be argued from the standpoint of one who has more FACTUAL and PRACTICAL experience on the subject. Not because I care one way or the other if jump cues and jump shots are allowed.
I introduced the Bunjee Jumper to America because I saw an opportunity and took it. People were selling jump cues before I did and there are plenty of competing brands. I chose to make myself an EXPERT in the subject because that's how I roll when I SELL THINGS. I like to know all facets of the things I sell.
So if you can't argue logically with the EXPERT opinion on the subject then do yourself a favor and just stick to saying you don't like them and leaving it at that.
Oh goodness, you really are down to the bottom of the barrel on cheap shots now aren't you?
So if you can't quote any FACTUAL reasons why jump cues shouldn't be used then simply say that. If you want to toss in the insults then that's ok too as it only degrades your opinion on the subject even further.
Yes, namedropping makes you right, John. You know more people than me, so you must be better.
I'm wrong, you're right.
Kicking is easy. Jumping is difficult. You're the pro, I suck. You could probably beat me spotting me 5 games to 9, the 6 out, and giving me the break.
Have I bowed enough to your superiority yet, John? I'm also 5'4", 120lbs, and I have a small dick, too.
Tough morning?
I am sorry didn't you "namedrop" first? You said "ask Grady". Well, in fact, I can because I know Grady and Tom and Efren, and Ralf, and, and, and,........
Knowing these professional players, taking lessons from them, giving them lessons, discussing pool with them etc... is part of what forms my opinions on this topic. I am sorry that you don't consider my 20+ years in the business as good enough to hold a contrary opinion but it is what it is Shawn. If Rodney Morris said something to me about jumping and aiming then that's part of my knowledge base and not yours. So if you say something like "ask Rodney" then maybe I already did.
Hope your day gets brighter from here.
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