AZbilliards Cue Case Patch

I'll buy them.

I like the shirt idea. I can get my name embroidered on once I get it. It's easy to customize a shirt. The metal hook idea sounds good for the patches, I wouldn't put a sticky patch on my case either. I could put it on my organizer for my weekly league paperwork.
 
I like the shirt idea. I can get my name embroidered on once I get it. It's easy to customize a shirt. The metal hook idea sounds good for the patches, I wouldn't put a sticky patch on my case either. I could put it on my organizer for my weekly league paperwork.

I like the patch ..
were can i get one ??
 
ideas ideas and ideas....someone do something....i put up the idea of having shirts made with our screename and was looking for the site to help out and make alittle cash on the side to cover cost for the site we all love...but still no answer...know keychains and patches..there is a ton of people that would buy it but nothing is being done to help us show or pride for AZ BILLIARDS....there was only ONE person willing to put some idea in to action and i thank him for that...until site approval this we be all it is a thread....someone with site approval please make SOMETHING....thanks mickey carroll.....ps i am not trying to be rude but there is a market for it...why doesnt the site make up something...and offer it to all that want to buy..

Here is the thing - if someone wants to promote AZ with a T-shirt then you don't need AZ's permission to do so.

Just go to any number of Do it Yourself t-shirt sites on the web and upload your own graphics and type in your screen name and order it. There are dozens of such websites on the web.

AZ could open their own CafePress shop and have user submitted designs available for purchase. Sure the cost per shirt is higher and the revenue is less BUT it's on a print-on-demand basis so no one has to order x-number of shirts in every color and size - each customer gets just what they want.

There are TONS of ways to do this.

Here $129 for 100 patches $1.29 each.... http://www.custompatches.net/

Here $9.75 for ONE PATCH - I am sure that a deal could be worked with someone like this if the design was all the same EXCEPT for the name at the bottom. http://www.colorpatch.com/

www.cafepress.com

I mean seriously, there is no impediment to promoting AZ for any person who wants to.
 
is there a man with a tie in this thread???

Sorry I took so long to post in this thread.

Mike is right. All lettering should be AT LEAST 1/4" high.

The more stitches you have, the higher the cost.

and also the 'thinness' of the thread and the thinner with a greater stitch count is the most attractive

Like most promotional items, the higher the quantity purchased, the less costly the item is per each.

one of my best friends in life is an expert in this stuff, if you need i can 'probably' find out a way to buy directly from a schiffli embroidery maker from new jersey [the place of most of this type of work] the cost for a full machine {full machine if i remember correctly is 11 yards and if the ground is a 50 inch width you can do the math of how much one machine will cost}], meaning the smaller the item the most amount of patches you will get per machine load] but for this, you can not get individual names, but it can have an appliqued area for us to write our az names

The way it goes genereally speaking is I would send a design to one of my "Patch" factories that is recommended by one of my peers in the business for a pricing request. I would ask for multiple column quantity pricing, for example 250, 500, 1000 or more.

please trust me here, but we would need at least 1 machine [11 yards x say for example 50 inches] at least full of patches to get a price that would be good for us and also for azb so sending a patch at a time they can still make money for themselves which they deserve, no question.

There are many different factories out there, each with their own style and capability. Quality runs from poor to excellent just like in any industry.

sorry but, it is not 'generally' the maker that is bad, it is the schiffli pattern maker that is bad - the machines just do what the patterns dictate.

If you select a design, I will obtain pricing for you and produce the job if you so decide.

Just let me know how I can help.

I've looked at some of the designs and we've got some talent on AZB. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Since Mike would be the one who would probably purchase the most patches I would think he would have to be the one who makes the final decision about which design to use.

i think it would be best not to put this all on mike and jerry, just mho. i think many of us are so proud of this site, that many of us should contribute to a fund, say $50 or if possible $100 to get this started. and besides if we do it as a community it will just have that much more meaning, for what i personally consider the best site i have ever been part of on the internet, as i am sure many would agree. if azb makes some money, great we can get some $ back. but if not, life will go on just the same.

Also, I do not have the time nor the means to ship out individual patches. If Mike or someone else can handle that I would be happy to help produce the order.

I would only want one person to be responsible for the bill as multiple billing is for the birds on a small order like this.

So the first thing to remember is the designs have to be SOLID COLORS, no gradient screens. You can specify the PMS colors which could be roughly approximated using the standard thread for the industry.

you can have gradients, but with 'variegated' thread, that is not a problem. but not every patch will have the same color in exactly the same place. but 'variegated' thread costs a bit more, but is not prohibitive.

I'll subscribe to this thread so that I stay in the loop if you need me.

you better!!!!

Ask any questions and I will try to help.
Best Regards,
JoeyA

JoeyA...

no disrespect to one of my favorite guys here intended. i just long ago knew a few things about this work.

but on the other hand, take guys like john barton & jack justice and whitten and many others who would hate to see patches on their cases.

so just to add more confusion to this great thread by Soto and others, i feel it would be great to hear from az'ers who know the plastics business too as i really also like the idea of making this with a dual ability; both with a glue backing to affirm to a case, or with a grommet to chain to a handle or such.

in my personal opinion, i'm more for that to satisfy everybody. besides, the cost per unit may be less so more of us could have them.

and i think most of all, we all know each other to such a great degree, but when we go to a parlor or hall, we are not aware of each other. this would begin imho to make for even greater friendships amongst us. and at least we would start to look for the "sign" of another fellow az'er.

J Soto, thanks for your great thread!

all the best,
smokey
 
Here is the thing - if someone wants to promote AZ with a T-shirt then you don't need AZ's permission to do so.

Just go to any number of Do it Yourself t-shirt sites on the web and upload your own graphics and type in your screen name and order it. There are dozens of such websites on the web.

AZ could open their own CafePress shop and have user submitted designs available for purchase. Sure the cost per shirt is higher and the revenue is less BUT it's on a print-on-demand basis so no one has to order x-number of shirts in every color and size - each customer gets just what they want.

There are TONS of ways to do this.

Here $129 for 100 patches $1.29 each.... http://www.custompatches.net/

Here $9.75 for ONE PATCH - I am sure that a deal could be worked with someone like this if the design was all the same EXCEPT for the name at the bottom. http://www.colorpatch.com/

www.cafepress.com

I mean seriously, there is no impediment to promoting AZ for any person who wants to.
that is my point john...why dont the az billiard powers that be do this? there is a ton of people who would buy shirts, key chains,or what ever in order to meet people and promote the website...also making a little change back to give to the site runners....for improvements or even to cover cost of running site....i am having a shirt made for the sbe with az logo and my screen name...but a friend of mine on this site is taking care of it for me because he is a nice guy and thinks that it also is a good idea..i just want to meet the people on this site and chat in person and that would be alot more difficult to do without knowing who is who...anyway i hope if you see me with my shirt on you stop and say hi...thanks mickey carroll
 
As JoeyA stated... cost...

To personalize each patch would cost a small fortune. The greater the number of generic patches the less the cost per each.

We can get up to 4 colors (each costing a little more).. more than 4 colors is simply ridiculous.

We are considering AZB because of language barriers as you know we are World Wide. Looking at something easily identifiable.

I personally would like White AZB or AZB.com on black background but I am a bit conservative. :cool:

Something like this?

AZBcom.gif


The only "problem" I see with that is that there is an actual web site called azb.com
 
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How about this one?
If the actual size will be 4x1.4 inches then all lettering is well above 1/4 inch


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At the risk of being flamed I would like to offer the services of the factory next door to me who does all of our embroidery work.

You design it and we will make it. I'd also like to state that it "should" be possible to design a patch with a blank space that could be embroidered by any local shop for those that want to have their screen names done.

However we could also do individualized patches for those that want their screen names done at the same time as we do the generic ones.

Edited to add that we can do up to nine colors.

I defer to John Barton. His offer for economic production of these patches should be something to consider. I doubt that any domestic manufacturer will be able to match the prices he can obtain for AZ Billiards.

Material Colors for base:
The Twill materials that most of the emboidery emblem manufacturers use is wide and varied, so the colors for the background material of the patch could be virtually any color.

For the record, I DON'T LIKE WHITE as it gets dirty very easily. (but that's just me.)

If anyone who is doing some designing wants a Twill chart that shows the many colors that one of my factories uses, you can PM with your regular email address and I will send you the color chart.

Perhaps John has access to a color chart for the materials as well as the thread colors and can offer the same.

JoeyA
 
One of the other things to consider is the size of the embroidered emblem and its ability to stick to different surfaces, especially leather since many people seem to want to stick the patch onto their cue case.

Like John suggested, perhaps a Design can leave a small area where a screenname can be embroidered at a later date for those that want that.

The stickiness of the emblem can be a problem so that should be addressed before going ahead with production.

JoeyA
 
Heat application vs....

One of the other things to consider is the size of the embroidered emblem and its ability to stick to different surfaces, especially leather since many people seem to want to stick the patch onto their cue case.

Like John suggested, perhaps a Design can leave a small area where a screenname can be embroidered at a later date for those that want that.

The stickiness of the emblem can be a problem so that should be addressed before going ahead with production.

JoeyA

Maybe a supply of patches can be made with and without the sticky backing (for those who want to sew the emblem on their shirt/jacket)

Heat presses with temperature setting of over 300 degrees Farenheit are often used to apply the emblems to surfaces and I don't think a regular iron will do the job.
 
I love AZ, and I'm all for the patches - would love one, or some. But you can believe with all your heart that I will not be gluing a patch on one of my leather cases. Ain't gonna happen. Make it heavy duty w/ a metal ring so it can be put on a towel ring, etc, and I'd be real good with that.
 


Perhaps John has access to a color chart for the materials as well as the thread colors and can offer the same.

JoeyA


LOL - there is a REASON why the offshore factories are cheaper - you don't get no stinking color charts.... You get to give them your design as a jpg because they can't do CorelDraw. Then they REDRAW your design in their embroidery software - wait two days - then go there and look at it - make corrections - wait two days - go and look - make corrections - wait a day for samples - make corrections wait two days - etc......

Nah, if someone gives me a hi res JPG then that's enough.
 
I can offer an alternate solution.

Not suitable for nice cases, but if you don't mind or want to put it on your laptop, car window, notebook or anywhere else....

I can produce these designs in vinyl, I have redrawn the real AZB logo. I can provide this is a vinyl sticker as I said. I can add your user name or any other text to it. I can also cut it in heat press vinyl and make shirts or imprinted towels with it too.

Sm Graphic $5
Lg Graphic $10
Shirt $15
Towel $10
+ shipping fm TX.

I do these one at a time, so there is no min to buy. I'll wait until I have a batch to produce, so don't expect an amazon.com turn-around.
 

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Here's the site logo on a novelty sign graphic that I just made. I made the other pool stuff today too.
 

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I have one on my case

Add one more to the vote for this one.

Can't they be made out of plastic or something like that for use on a key ring?

Junior
It is over 15 years old. I'll post a pic. Sorry about the size,I don't know how to reduce. Maybe a mod can help! Dirty fingernail courtesy of yard work.
 

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I have some suppliers for labels and tags too. A hanging tag project is easy. The problem is selling the minimums. If it were a for-profit deal, than someone could get it done w/o loosing their shirt. One must account for the total costs and projected sales to at least break even. Anything past that is their gain for taking the effort and their time. Some folks have a hard time accepting that. AZB is not a church ya know.
 
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