27+14 ? Rules

A "4 snookers rule" already exists in the US national championships:

7.1.1 During the Round Robin Group Phase only, once all the red balls have been pocketed and just the colors remain on the table, if a player on their next visit to the table then requires four or more snookers to the value of the “ball on” that player will lose the frame.

Hello drsnooker .
Why the apply the rule only on the round robin plase ?
How do i get a print of thier rules ?
regards ,
 
Try the ussa site for the rules. When you register for the US championships they get mailed to you. PM Alan Morris to see if he will send you a copy.

Are you asking these questions because somebody you play with doesn't want to give up when he needs a lot of snookers? Well find somebody else to play with, it's all within the rules. Some tournament directors can add certain rules, such as not wearing earphones etc. But most of these can be grouped under unsportsmanlike conduct as named examples.

Not giving up until the black ball, taking 2 minutes for every shot, taking 10 minute "comfort breaks" between each frame is all within the rules and can serve to frustrate the opponent or get him out of his rhythm. But I'll let it be upto you if you think those fall under the unsportsmanlike conduct category.
 
A ten minuite comfort break aint enough sometimes.

At Telford for instance, its quite a long walk for the players to get from the tables to the main entrance so they can have a fag.
 
We get 1 negative vote regarding " rules changing ".
Yes , i play snooker , i teach billiard , i ran an academy(www.adibon.com) & i am 55 . Beside those , i intend to have billiards to the Olmpics . I am not offended by your questions .
According to some of the present rules the game goes on until the black is potted or the behind player conceeds . I think this should ghange .

The game doesn't go until the black is potted, it goes until the pink is potted (if player has more than 7 points). Any more that 12 points behind (3 snookers) the guy should give the frame (pink black remaining, final frame for a ton of cash). Miss on pink hitting black (7 points) free ball (6 points) pink black (13 points). slim to none chance of 26 points with just pink black remaining.
 
Try the ussa site for the rules. When you register for the US championships they get mailed to you. PM Alan Morris to see if he will send you a copy.

Are you asking these questions because somebody you play with doesn't want to give up when he needs a lot of snookers? Well find somebody else to play with, it's all within the rules. Some tournament directors can add certain rules, such as not wearing earphones etc. But most of these can be grouped under unsportsmanlike conduct as named examples.

Not giving up until the black ball, taking 2 minutes for every shot, taking 10 minute "comfort breaks" between each frame is all within the rules and can serve to frustrate the opponent or get him out of his rhythm. But I'll let it be upto you if you think those fall under the unsportsmanlike conduct category.

I know about ussa rules but i don't live in u.s.a.
You mentioned " unsportmanlike " that's what i want to have it be clear to billiards .
 
It shall not be left to the players . It must become a rule.

Give us one reason why? For a hundred years it's worked fine, no one else has ever complained but you in probably a few billion frames?
 
1- To get billiards to the Olympics .
2- A unified rule through out the world .
3 - You may know that the highest break may become to 155&not 147.
4- We all need to learn ALOT, don't we ?
5- Some of us may think about things which are preventing the billiards to get to the Olympics .

crack is bad
 
It shall not be left to the players . It must become a rule.

Give us one reason why? For a hundred years it's worked fine, no one else has ever complained but you in probably a few billion frames?

drsnooker wrote : " A "4 snookers rule" already exists in the US national championships:

7.1.1 During the Round Robin Group Phase only, once all the red balls have been pocketed and just the colors remain on the table, if a player on their next visit to the table then requires four or more snookers to the value of the “ball on” that player will lose the frame. "
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=185901&page=2

It is not you&the rules nor is i&the rule . There were&still are different rules which you may not be aware of just like the one i coded above .

All i amasking is to have one&only one unified rule for billiards .
 
It shall not be left to the players . It must become a rule . If so , i get one positive vote regarding " rule's change " ?

No one ever plays on. This is a total non-issue. If a player kept playing on in every frame, which never happens, then the referee could warn them. It's a matter of discretion...and it has never been a problem in the game.

Why don't you give us an example of when this has been a problem? It still wouldn't justify changing the rules considering how rare an occurence it is, but it would at least be something to talk about beyond you saying "make it a rule" and everyone else saying "no point."

I can think of one time in particular when a player played on needing a ridiculous amount of snookers - Alain Robidoux against Ronnie O'Sullivan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJvEolVSE3c

I think at one point he needs nine snookers in this frame and he looked like he intended to play for them, but this was purely to show his displeasure at O'Sullivan needlessly playing left-handed against him while he was cruising to a very comfortable win. Most times if a player comes to the table needing 5 or more snookers, it's to try to clear the table for practise.

If you can think of another time that this has caused any sort of problem, you might as well name it. Otherwise.....pointless.
 
I think Adibon is confusing the rules of snooker according to the WPBSA and the by-laws that any tournament director can add to their local tournament. Such as dress code, or time limits, or wearing earphones etc etc.
The US championship has additional rules as I've already mentioned, but these are not part of the official rules.

Unless you don't understand fair-play and sportsmanship, I think snooker is not for you. When you feather the ball, get up from the table, declare a foul and let your opponent shoot the duck. If you can't own up to your mistakes, go play pool or something.:D
 
Straight from:

http://www.ibsf.info/rules-snooker.shtml#3_11

The rule for end of frame:

4. End of Frame, Game or Match
(a) When only the Black is left, the first score or foul ends the frame excepting only if the following conditions both apply:
(i) the scores are then equal, and
(ii) aggregate scores are not relevant.
(b) When both conditions in (a) above apply
(i) the Black is spotted,
(ii) the players draw lots for choice of playing
(iii) the next player plays from in-hand, and
(iv) the next score or foul ends the frame.
(c) When aggregate scores determine the winner of a game or match, and the aggregate scores are equal at the end of the last frame, the players in that frame shall follow the procedure for a re-spotted Black set out in (b) above.

When the black is the only remained ball on the table, if one player is 8 or more points ahead, the frame is over.

Lan
 
No one ever plays on. This is a total non-issue. If a player kept playing on in every frame, which never happens, then the referee could warn them. It's a matter of discretion...and it has never been a problem in the game.

Why don't you give us an example of when this has been a problem? It still wouldn't justify changing the rules considering how rare an occurence it is, but it would at least be something to talk about beyond you saying "make it a rule" and everyone else saying "no point."

I can think of one time in particular when a player played on needing a ridiculous amount of snookers - Alain Robidoux against Ronnie O'Sullivan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJvEolVSE3c

I think at one point he needs nine snookers in this frame and he looked like he intended to play for them, but this was purely to show his displeasure at O'Sullivan needlessly playing left-handed against him while he was cruising to a very comfortable win. Most times if a player comes to the table needing 5 or more snookers, it's to try to clear the table for practise.

If you can think of another time that this has caused any sort of problem, you might as well name it. Otherwise.....pointless.

The Olympic's commitee asks for a unified rules ? Are we going to have ONE or not ? Keep it simple not an example .
 
I think Adibon is confusing the rules of snooker according to the WPBSA and the by-laws that any tournament director can add to their local tournament. Such as dress code, or time limits, or wearing earphones etc etc.
The US championship has additional rules as I've already mentioned, but these are not part of the official rules.

Unless you don't understand fair-play and sportsmanship, I think snooker is not for you. When you feather the ball, get up from the table, declare a foul and let your opponent shoot the duck. If you can't own up to your mistakes, go play pool or something.:D

Seems like you are comfused yourself .
Don't name WPBSA or US championship or any others .
The Olympic's commitee asks for a unified rules ? Are we going to have ONE or not ?
Do not insult billiard players(at least 350 billiard games have written rules&snooker is one of those) .
If you can not own up to your mistakes you do not belong to the human society . You can go play balls but not billiards .
 
Straight from:

http://www.ibsf.info/rules-snooker.shtml#3_11

The rule for end of frame:

4. End of Frame, Game or Match
(a) When only the Black is left, the first score or foul ends the frame excepting only if the following conditions both apply:
(i) the scores are then equal, and
(ii) aggregate scores are not relevant.
(b) When both conditions in (a) above apply
(i) the Black is spotted,
(ii) the players draw lots for choice of playing
(iii) the next player plays from in-hand, and
(iv) the next score or foul ends the frame.
(c) When aggregate scores determine the winner of a game or match, and the aggregate scores are equal at the end of the last frame, the players in that frame shall follow the procedure for a re-spotted Black set out in (b) above.

When the black is the only remained ball on the table, if one player is 8 or more points ahead, the frame is over.

Lan

Here is our case :
1 - the present rule says " the frame ends if a player concede " .
2 - I say " a player should take the preposal to the referee and the referee should make the final decision .

Which one of the above mentioned suits you ?
 
Has the Olympics committee asked for clarification of the international snooker rules - or do you simply not agree with those rules? If they have asked, there is basis for your questions - if not, accept the international rules and be done with this.
 
Here is our case :
1 - the present rule says " the frame ends if a player concede " .
2 - I say " a player should take the preposal to the referee and the referee should make the final decision .

Which one of the above mentioned suits you ?

The way it stands is the way it ought to be. I've never heard of another sport where a concession comes from the referee/umpire.

Why do you think the rule should be changed?
Is it to save time or for another reason.

Lan
 
Has the Olympics committee asked for clarification of the international snooker rules - or do you simply not agree with those rules? If they have asked, there is basis for your questions - if not, accept the international rules and be done with this.

The olympic committee asks billiards to clarify man things and have them standard , including rules .
They ask for one&only one billiard's organization so they know who to talk to . They ask about the games which we want to make it ti the olympics ( 8 ball - 9 ball - snooker - 10 ball - carom ball - pyramid ... ) .

Billiards got so close to olympics just a few years ago , if you remember . We can make it work if we stick together .

We don't have one international rules for billiards but we have many organization calling themselves : the world ...

I am not done with this , yet .
 
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