Why CTE is silly

[duckie]

Just to add to the silliness since this a thread about just that and NOT the percieved benefits.

"Scott Lee in Dallas teaching CTE" is in the title.

First sentence in the post-
"Scott is in Dallas on Sunday Nov. 7th. He is teaching SAME AIM (a CTE hybrid) to several students."

Isn't that kinda like bait and switch. I mean its either CTE or not. But I bet the thread got a few more looks and interest than just saying teaching SAME AIM.

Another sentence in a reply.

"How long have you been teaching CTE?"-Just plain bad reading skills. SAME AIM is taught not CTE.

They can't even keep it straight in their on camp.

 

[Neil]

Apparently not only me, but you too. Haven't you insisted your video links be taken off Dr. Dave's site because you were "wrong about what CTE is?"

Don't you realize how silly you (and other CTEers) look? That's it has been discussed over the last 15 years because that's how long it has taken for you and others to actually INVENT CTE; and you (or they) STILL haven't invented it yet; and that Stan is sweating bricks over this thread, because he knows the criticisms raised here will apply DIRECTLY to his DVD when (or if) if comes out?

CTE is a godawful MESS--of confusion and inaccuracy. People who have been deluded by it and who have deluded themselves are having a rather brutal little awakening over this thread.

You couldn't be more wrong if you and PJ actually were the same person. The only "awakening" as you put it, is that we have heard of people like you, but always thought others were just exaggerating. You seem to be of the type that talks just to hear yourself talk. And, when you finally get to where no one else will be around you, you resort to forums. Even forums about something that you really have no interest in.

If you really had ANY interest in learning about pool, you would have at least tried CTE before commenting on it. But, even after all these days of arguing it, you admittedly have not even tried it. How sad and pathetic. While many others have tried to glean what they could, or called Hal or Stan, or are eagerly waiting Stan's DVD. The only thing you eagerly await is for the next post so you can argue it too.

 

[eezbank]

John has twice said something like that. To me it means he's fundamentally a nice guy, with a generous heart. I don't want to take advantage of his generosity--that's not my style. It's the best thing about him.

I'd rather just keep the privilege of giving him lumps for his goofy support of silly CTE

That's the funny part. As Spidey already stated earlier in this thread. The most sought after instructors in the US teach CTE. If it didn't work we would see threads like the Perry Weston thread going on right now from people saying they were ripped off. You can only say that it is silly based on the information that is out there.

To quote from the COM. You couldn't "get there" with a road map and an indian guide. So just keep laughing it up because the jokes on you! lmao

 

[cookie man]

Just to add to the silliness since this a thread about just that and NOT the percieved benefits.

"Scott Lee in Dallas teaching CTE" is in the title.

First sentence in the post-
"Scott is in Dallas on Sunday Nov. 7th. He is teaching SAME AIM (a CTE hybrid) to several students."

Isn't that kinda like bait and switch. I mean its either CTE or not. But I bet the thread got a few more looks and interest than just saying teaching SAME AIM.

Another sentence in a reply.

"How long have you been teaching CTE?"-Just plain bad reading skills. SAME AIM is taught not CTE.

They can't even keep it straight in their on camp.

Another great reply from someone who knows nothing.

 

[GetMeThere]

If you really had ANY interest in learning about pool, you would have at least tried CTE before commenting on it.

And that's what I think is WRONG about the very existence of CTE: I think it would likely to do more harm than good. I don't think it should even be TRIED by anyone--that is, if there's even anything to try; the last 20 or so posts demonstrate nicely that CTE isn't any one thing, but any number of very DIFFERENT things, as described by different people trying to make sense from Hal's profound fantasy and confusion.

I've made the analogy before (but the principle seems unable to gain traction with a certain set of posters): Should I "try" astrology, too?

 

[Neil]

Just to add to the silliness since this a thread about just that and NOT the percieved benefits.

"Scott Lee in Dallas teaching CTE" is in the title.

First sentence in the post-
"Scott is in Dallas on Sunday Nov. 7th. He is teaching SAME AIM (a CTE hybrid) to several students."

Isn't that kinda like bait and switch. I mean its either CTE or not. But I bet the thread got a few more looks and interest than just saying teaching SAME AIM.

Another sentence in a reply.

"How long have you been teaching CTE?"-Just plain bad reading skills. SAME AIM is taught not CTE.

They can't even keep it straight in their on camp.

Other than once again trying to denigrate anything with the phrase 'CTE" in it, what is your point?? That is, other than showing us all that you have a reading and comprehension problem??

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Are you saying CTE is like trains, Neil? That the system is pre-set for certain destinations and the shooter can't change that? Seriously? That's what you believe?

pj
chgo

Neil:
[lots of complaints - no answer to the question]

Was that question too difficult, Neil?

pj
chgo

 

[champ2107]

Spidey has already told you that they are wrong. He is working directly with Stan on aspects of the DVD, and is himself writing a "100+ page" manifesto on the highly complex (verging on mystical) 3D geometric realities of CTE.

Spidey and Stan--the gang of two--are generally regarded as being as the "creative center" of the CTE fantasy universe, and as heirs apparent for the seminal work of Saint Hal.

Are they selling this dvd? think about it, i have given u aim points u just have to learn the pivot and if its a 45 degree shot or if its left or right of 45. trust me! lol

 

[GetMeThere]

The most sought after instructors in the US teach CTE.

I'd like to see more information on that score.

Bob Jewett doesn't teach CTE. I would say many see him at the very pinnacle of pool education.
Mike Page doesn't teach CTE, but I've seen him receive multiple, spontaneous, non-smoke-blowing-up-the-a**, unsolicited compliments on the brilliant CLARITY of his explanations and teachings.
Dr. Dave doesn't teach CTE--but his site (which forms the basis of what he teaches) is UNQUESTIONABLY the best resource of objective, technical AND practical pool information ON THE PLANET.

It seems to me that only a few instructors teach "CTE." And that there are MANY highly-regarded instructors who don't.

Can you elaborate on your claim, giving objective rankings and numbers of instructors?

 

[GetMeThere]

Are they selling this dvd? think about it, i have given u aim points u just have to learn the pivot and if its a 45 degree shot or if its left or right of 45. trust me! lol

I appreciate your honesty and openness, champ. I'd still like to see the video you said you would make (you don't have to if you don't want to), that shows what's different about each of the three shots described.

 

[peteypooldude]

Spidey has already told you that they are wrong. He is working directly with Stan on aspects of the DVD, and is himself writing a "100+ page" manifesto on the highly complex (verging on mystical) 3D geometric realities of CTE.

Spidey and Stan--the gang of two--are generally regarded as being as the "creative center" of the CTE fantasy universe, and as heirs apparent for the seminal work of Saint Hal.

You are right about spidey and stan . I have never met Stan, But I learned DIRECTLY from spidey in person whom I talk to on a regular basis.
Did you mention secret sauce or was that pj ? Just so you know
Have a good day
Petey

 

[eezbank]

I'd like to see more information on that score.

Bob Jewett doesn't teach CTE. I would say many see him at the very pinnacle of pool education.
Mike Page doesn't teach CTE, but I've seen him receive multiple, spontaneous, non-smoke-blowing-up-the-a**, unsolicited compliments on the brilliant CLARITY of his explanations and teachings.
Dr. Dave doesn't teach CTE--but his site (which forms the basis of what he teaches) is UNQUESTIONABLY the best resource of objective, technical AND practical pool information ON THE PLANET.

It seems to me that only a few instructors teach "CTE." And that there are MANY highly-regarded instructors who don't.

Can you elaborate on your claim, giving objective rankings and numbers of instructors?

Two out of the three instructors you listed most people wouldn't walk across the street to take a lesson from. I wouldn't know how you could rank them but Jerry Briesath from everything I have read is probably at the top of the list. He btw does teach CTE in his three day seminar.

 

[Neil]

And that's what I think is WRONG about the very existence of CTE: I think it would likely to do more harm than good. I don't think it should even be TRIED by anyone--that is, if there's even anything to try; the last 20 or so posts demonstrate nicely that CTE isn't any one thing, but any number of very DIFFERENT things, as described by different people trying to make sense from Hal's profound fantasy and confusion.

I've made the analogy before (but the principle seems unable to gain traction with a certain set of posters): Should I "try" astrology, too?

The "logical " person would say, "hmmmm.... there seem to be a lot of variations to this CTE aiming, yet they all say that it has helped their game by trying it. If just parts of it are helping others, the whole deal must be pretty good! I better give this a try and see if it helps me too!"

The "illogical" person would say "hmmmm....... I have seen no mathematical formulas that prove the validity of what has been stated. People saying it has helped them means nothing. Until I see that math for every conceivable shot on a pool table using this method, I must conclude that the "CTE" does not really exist. Since it does not exist, I can therefore conclude (without showing the math of course!) that anyone that says it works is deluded and foolish. And, that they are therefore actually hurting their game."


And, since you seem to claim that you are in a medical related field, let's just look at the math that YOUR field uses.--- Here we have a new drug, cost us a nickel to make, but we will sell it for $100. We need some math for this drug. So...... let's test it on a bunch of people and see what happens. (Oh, let's just forget that what actually happens as a result can only be here-say on the peoples part) Now, 30 survived, 1 actually got better, and only 10 died. Of the 30 survivors, only 29 had side effects far worse than what we were trying to cure. Yep, looks good, let's put it on the market! We can make a killing (oops, was that the wrong word to use here??) with it! ..... At least Stan is offering a money back guarantee. More than you (your field) will do.

So, you see GTM, your math is meaningless. Results are what counts. But, you wanting to start a thread like this, just to bash something you know nothing about, only shows just how illogical and foolish you are being. And, in the interest of helping, I freely admit I have become a fool. I have for even posting in this inane thread. I have said my piece, time to bow out.

 

[GetMeThere]

Two out of the three instructors you listed most people wouldn't walk across the street to take a lesson from. I wouldn't know how you could rank them but Jerry Briesath from everything I have read is probably at the top of the list. He btw does teach CTE in his three day seminar.

How many pool instructors are there, and what proportion teach CTE? If you found those numbers I think you would discover that the proportion who teach CTE is VERY small.

One example: I'm sure there are some VERY worthy instructors in Europe and Asia (just have a look at their players), and I seriously doubt ANY of them teach CTE.

In actual, practical fact, CTE isn't even yet a WELL-DEFINED THING. Nobody REALLY knows exactly what CTE IS.

 

[Neil]

Was that question too difficult, Neil?

pj
chgo

Not for me, but apparently it was for you, because my reply went right over your head.:wink:

 

[champ2107]

Two out of the three instructors you listed most people wouldn't walk across the street to take a lesson from. I wouldn't know how you could rank them but Jerry Briesath from everything I have read is probably at the top of the list. He btw does teach CTE in his three day seminar.

Did you not have a video on cte on youtube?

 

[GetMeThere]

The "logical " person would say, "hmmmm.... there seem to be a lot of variations to this CTE aiming, yet they all say that it has helped their game by trying it. If just parts of it are helping others, the whole deal must be pretty good! I better give this a try and see if it helps me too!"

The "illogical" person would say "hmmmm....... I have seen no mathematical formulas that prove the validity of what has been stated. People saying it has helped them means nothing. Until I see that math for every conceivable shot on a pool table using this method, I must conclude that the "CTE" does not really exist. Since it does not exist, I can therefore conclude (without showing the math of course!) that anyone that says it works is deluded and foolish. And, that they are therefore actually hurting their game."


And, since you seem to claim that you are in a medical related field, let's just look at the math that YOUR field uses.--- Here we have a new drug, cost us a nickel to make, but we will sell it for $100. We need some math for this drug. So...... let's test it on a bunch of people and see what happens. (Oh, let's just forget that what actually happens as a result can only be here-say on the peoples part) Now, 30 survived, 1 actually got better, and only 10 died. Of the 30 survivors, only 29 had side effects far worse than what we were trying to cure. Yep, looks good, let's put it on the market! We can make a killing (oops, was that the wrong word to use here??) with it! ..... At least Stan is offering a money back guarantee. More than you (your field) will do.

So, you see GTM, your math is meaningless. Results are what counts. But, you wanting to start a thread like this, just to bash something you know nothing about, only shows just how illogical and foolish you are being. And, in the interest of helping, I freely admit I have become a fool. I have for even posting in this inane thread. I have said my piece, time to bow out.

hehe, I like the GTM again

You're simply unreachable, Neil. You seem somehow unable to grasp the points made against CTE. I'm glad (for your sake and everyone else's) that you've made the decision to "bow out."

Good luck with your game....and CTE.

EDIT: Oh, and thanks for overwhelming me with logic: I guess I SHOULD have given astrology a try long ago. I'm gonna go out and get a book and start making some charts RIGHT NOW!

 

[eezbank]

How many pool instructors are there, and what proportion teach CTE? If you found those numbers I think you would discover that the proportion who teach CTE is VERY small.

One example: I'm sure there are some VERY worthy instructors in Europe and Asia (just have a look at their players), and I seriously doubt ANY of them teach CTE.

In actual, practical fact, CTE isn't even yet a WELL-DEFINED THING. Nobody REALLY knows exactly what CTE IS.

No, they know what it is. They know how to teach it more than one way because that's their job. You have no clue so you go out on that limb and cry that NOBODY else knows or will show me". You started a silly thread and at the end of it you will be the one that looks silly.

 

[cookie man]

How many pool instructors are there, and what proportion teach CTE? If you found those numbers I think you would discover that the proportion who teach CTE is VERY small.

One example: I'm sure there are some VERY worthy instructors in Europe and Asia (just have a look at their players), and I seriously doubt ANY of them teach CTE.

In actual, practical fact, CTE isn't even yet a WELL-DEFINED THING. Nobody REALLY knows exactly what CTE IS.

Just because you don't know what it is, does that really mean no one knows what it is? Do you know any worthy instructors in Asia and Europe, and do you know they don't teach CTE? When you have valid provable info, let us all know.

 

[GetMeThere]

Just because you don't know what it is, does that really mean no one knows what it is? Do you know any worthy instructors in Asia and Europe, and do you know they don't teach CTE? When you have valid provable info, let us all know.

No no. That's up to eezbank, who I was responding to. HE made the initial claim about "top instructors teaching CTE."

I call BS on him (and you). It's up to YOU to prove the claim.