Why CTE is silly

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CTE defenders are just fine.....they are light years ahead of the critics that are not using their eyes and body to explore the topic.

Well...it's these kinds of statements that give me the heebie-jeebies about CTE. The methodology of CTE is surely an abstraction. It's something to use one's MIND on in order to understand. Generally, I'm able to use my mind productively; and I've focused it on CTE--but found nothing of substance.

I was supposed to use my ...body ??
 
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Well...it's these kinds of statements that give me the heebie-jeebies about CTE. The methodology of CTE is surely an abstraction. It's something to use one's MIND on in order to understand. Generally, I'm able to use my mind productively; and I've focused it on CTE--but found nothing of substance.

I was supposed to use my ...body ??


Pool is of the visual/motor nature.

Yes, you have focused your mind, your math intelligence and your lingual skills upon the topic of CTE. You'll never get CTE that way. CTE aiming is a result of one's visual skills at the table.

I'd say, there's a slim chance that you've spent any real time on the table with CTE using your eyes and body with CTE alignments and pivots.

The reason I unravelled this is because I have spent time with CTE on the table..

I can describe the process because I know what my eyes see and what my body must do.

It is what it is............
 
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You do to much grouping . And the claim I made that you dont agree with
is that CTE is a center pocket system . And I dont use it to hit a certain spot on the rail . Is this true ? As I have ask you before ,Dont group me with ALL the defenders and claims
Although the claim you made about CTE is one of the dumbest, Petey, plenty of others have made dumb claims about it too, right here in this thread and in plenty of other threads too. You'll just have to live with being part of that group (or stop making dumb claims).

pj
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Pool is of the visual/motor nature.

Yes, you have focused your mind, your math intelligence and your lingual skills upon the topic of CTE. You'll never get CTE that way. CTE aiming is a result of one's visual skills at the table.

I'd say, there's a slim chance that you've spent any real time on the table with CTE using your eyes and body with CTE alignments and pivots.

The reason I unravelled this is because I have spent time with CTE on the table..

I can describe the process because I know what my eyes see and what my body must do.

It is what it is............

I've spent zero time at the table "with CTE." If that wasn't clear before, then here it is now for all to see.

But if CTE is an "aiming system" it seems reasonable that we should be able to discuss how it works to provide....aiming.

So far, there is PRECIOUS little publicly stated about CTE that implies it COULD provide "aiming." So, as I've said before in this thread, maybe the real problem is semantics. Maybe CTE will turn out to be FANTASTICALLY VALUABLE, and something I will want to use, study, and sing about from the mountain tops--but it just won't be an AIMING system.

Maybe if you called it a "perceptual system," or an "eye and body" system for pool "alignment and sighting" then ALL ARGUMENT WOULD CEASE.

But, if you want to call it an aiming system then, baby, it's gotta AIM at something.

If it purports to "aim" balls at the pocket for you, but it's not necessary to in any way represent the line or angle from the OB to the pocket, then it just ain't no aiming system--no matter HOW GREAT it might be, otherwise, doing other things.

I'm feeling sorry now that I didn't make this one of the FIRST posts in this thread, rather than one of the last.

If it ain't aimin', then baby, it ain't no aimin' SYSTEM. :shakehead:
 
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Pool is of the visual/motor nature.

Yes, you have focused your mind, your math intelligence and your lingual skills upon the topic of CTE. You'll never get CTE that way. CTE aiming is a result of one's visual skills at the table.

I'd say, there's a slim chance that you've spent any real time on the table with CTE using your eyes and body with CTE alignments and pivots.

The reason I unravelled this is because I have spent time with CTE on the table....

I can describe the process because I know what my eyes see and what my body must do.

It is what it is............the focused mind can in the manner that you speak can only happen after other intelligences have paved the way.

Stan I do not know if I will buy your DVD when it is released, only because I personally have invested a GREAT DEAL OF TIME with Mr. Bartons, and SpiderWebDotCom instructional material on CTE.

My Investment of time has NETTED ME RESULTS I personally can not believe, but then at a point I became a believer in the Ideas, and results I personally got from CTE. I was not a believer at first!

As far as I am concerned CTE is the REAL DEAL, and I hope you have success with the sales of your CTE INSTRUCTIONAL DVD Stan, I understand will be out soon.

Much of this Pool thing is taking information & working with ideas until you find they work for you are do not work for you.

As I said IMHO CTE is the REAL DEAL, but I am noting going to try to convince those who wish to ignore those of us who are believers in CTE.
 
Spidey has already told you that they are wrong. He is working directly with Stan on aspects of the DVD, and is himself writing a "100+ page" manifesto on the highly complex (verging on mystical) 3D geometric realities of CTE.

Spidey and Stan--the gang of two--are generally regarded as being as the "creative center" of the CTE fantasy universe, and as heirs apparent for the seminal work of Saint Hal.

More correctly, they are not Cte as taught by Stan or Spidey. But they are a pivot system of which there are probably dozens being used by players that are trying to further their pool knowledge. They are the silent majority that read these threads and refuse to post only to be ridiculed because of an interest in an aiming system and helping others to learn them.

I have come up with several methods myself in addition to Cte, Pro One and 90/90. I've been able to do this because instead of doubting those who have used the systems, I've done the legwork to learn them and contributed back to the community.

I have friends who are Pro's that visit these forums as guests because they don't want to be involved in all the crap that gets shoveled up in here. Btw one said he likes to use an air pivot and has a modified version of Cte. The others are either curious about it or have known about it for years. They don't tell me I'm nuts. They ask questions civilly and discuss things with me.

In these threads I'm still waiting for one person to ask about the pivot. You can aim many different ways, but how does the pivot work and what is it? At least champ2107 tried to figure it out.

Best,
Mike
 
More correctly, they are not Cte as taught by Stan or Spidey. But they are a pivot system of which there are probably dozens being used by players that are trying to further their pool knowledge. They are the silent majority that read these threads and refuse to post only to be ridiculed because of an interest in an aiming system and helping others to learn them.

I have come up with several methods myself in addition to Cte, Pro One and 90/90. I've been able to do this because instead of doubting those who have used the systems, I've done the legwork to learn them and contributed back to the community.

I have friends who are Pro's that visit these forums as guests because they don't want to be involved in all the crap that gets shoveled up in here. Btw one said he likes to use an air pivot and has a modified version of Cte. The others are either curious about it or have known about it for years. They don't tell me I'm nuts. They ask questions civilly and discuss things with me.

In these threads I'm still waiting for one person to ask about the pivot. You can aim many different ways, but how does the pivot work and what is it? At least champ2107 tried to figure it out.

Best,
Mike


And the point of that post is.....??

"I know what's what, but I ain't tellin'" ??
"My friends don't laugh at my ideas" ??
"People who view this thread and don't post are all on my side" ??
"There isn't just CTE, there're LOTS of systems like it, but different, and they ALL WORK!" ??

Regarding the pivot: I think Dr. Dave quite consistently mentions that the "key" to CTE is obviously how to pivot to make shots of different angles. I've seen no useful responses to his questions. Maybe you'd like to answer him here and now.
 
Do not worry. I am all in.....

Thanks,

Stan

Very glad to hear this Stan! I use 90/90 (Thanks so much to Ron Vitello!). I look forward to the release of your DVD! Always willing to learn more. Thanks for your efforts. Also thanks to everyone else that has helped on this journey. :grin:
 
CTE defenders are just fine.....they are light years ahead of the critics that are not using their eyes and body to explore the topic.


I think the CTE detractors are just fine... they are light years ahead of the defenders that are not using their brains to explore the topic. Honestly, Stan, and with all due respect, don't you acknowledge on any level that the way the CTE campaign has been run all these years, there is more than enough reason for many, many logical and reasonable players to doubt all the claims?

Lou Figueroa
"Traveling through CTE ain't like dusting crops, boy!
Without precise calculations we could
fly right through a rail or bounce too close to another ball,
and that'd end your run real quick, wouldn't it?"
GetMeThereSolo, to Luke PivotWalker
 
And the point of that post is.....??

"I know what's what, but I ain't tellin'" ??
"My friends don't laugh at my ideas" ??
"People who view this thread and don't post are all on my side" ??
"There isn't just CTE, there're LOTS of systems like it, but different, and they ALL WORK!" ??

Regarding the pivot: I think Dr. Dave quite consistently mentions that the "key" to CTE is obviously how to pivot to make shots of different angles. I've seen no useful responses to his questions. Maybe you'd like to answer him here and now.

Again with the sarcasm and taunts. You try to goad posters into letting a crucial piece of the Cte framework slip out. Look at the the individual wording of my post instead of your perceived context of it. The word "legwork", if I may quote myself, is mentioned there. Your parasitic approach to information retrieval knows no shame. As I said before, the secrets to Cte are posted in this thread. You, yourself, have blasted people for their answers while I sit here and see you know nothing about it. Because they have presented it to you unknowingly and you scoff and belittle them. Your pessimism has blinded your research and alienated your sources. I know we're all alchemists here, but every once in a while we might post a logical theory or idea. :rolleyes:

I did send Dr. Dave some information about a related pivot system, 90/90, but he didn't seem very interested. Actually they are basically the same system and you could probably figure out Cte and all other pivot systems by learning it, but that takes legwork. Sorry...didn't take the bait.:eek:

In all fairness I enjoy reading about your ideas and assumptions. You have a keen mind and IMO could move the Cte discussion along greatly if you could learn to use a little tact and restraint in your approach. That being said, don't "Dr. Dave me" because I paid you a compliment. J/K Sorry, Dr. Dave. I couldn't resist. :grin-square:

Best,
Mike
 
I think the CTE detractors are just fine... they are light years ahead of the defenders that are not using their brains to explore the topic. Honestly, Stan, and with all due respect, don't you acknowledge on any level that the way the CTE campaign has been run all these years, there is more than enough reason for many, many logical and reasonable players to doubt all the claims?

Lou Figueroa
"Traveling through CTE ain't like dusting crops, boy!
Without precise calculations we could
fly right through a rail or bounce too close to another ball,
and that'd end your run real quick, wouldn't it?"
GetMeThereSolo, to Luke PivotWalker

The campaign was not perfect. I will give you that, Lou.

Brain power from the detractors has not figured CTE out yet. I figured it out with a little brain work. We have all been playing with the same cards.

Stan
 
Very glad to hear this Stan! I use 90/90 (Thanks so much to Ron Vitello!). I look forward to the release of your DVD! Always willing to learn more. Thanks for your efforts. Also thanks to everyone else that has helped on this journey. :grin:

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In all fairness I enjoy reading about your ideas and assumptions. You have a keen mind and IMO could move the Cte discussion along greatly...

Hey, give me the info, let me see it works, and there WON'T BE a stronger advocate for it than me! I'll get every goddam player on this forum using it--or explain to them in detail why they're an idiot for not using it!

But...maybe Dr. Dave's disinterest in 90/90 should tell you something...
 
I've spent zero time at the table "with CTE." If that wasn't clear before, then here it is now for all to see.

But if CTE is an "aiming system" it seems reasonable that we should be able to discuss how it works to provide....aiming.

So far, there is PRECIOUS little publicly stated about CTE that implies it COULD provide "aiming." So, as I've said before in this thread, maybe the real problem is semantics. Maybe CTE will turn out to be FANTASTICALLY VALUABLE, and something I will want to use, study, and sing about from the mountain tops--but it just won't be an AIMING system.

Maybe if you called it a "perceptual system," or an "eye and body" system for pool "alignment and sighting" then ALL ARGUMENT WOULD CEASE.

But, if you want to call it an aiming system then, baby, it's gotta AIM at something.

If it purports to "aim" balls at the pocket for you, but it's not necessary to in any way represent the line or angle from the OB to the pocket, then it just ain't no aiming system--no matter HOW GREAT it might be, otherwise, doing other things.

I'm feeling sorry now that I didn't make this one of the FIRST posts in this thread, rather than one of the last.

If it ain't aimin', then baby, it ain't no aimin' SYSTEM. :shakehead:

PRO ONE is not just an aiming system, it's a professional aiming system.
 
Apparently not only me, but you too. Haven't you insisted your video links be taken off Dr. Dave's site because you were "wrong about what CTE is?"

Don't you realize how silly you (and other CTEers) look? That's it has been discussed over the last 15 years because that's how long it has taken for you and others to actually INVENT CTE; and you (or they) STILL haven't invented it yet; and that Stan is sweating bricks over this thread, because he knows the criticisms raised here will apply DIRECTLY to his DVD when (or if) it comes out?

CTE is a godawful MESS--of confusion and inaccuracy. People who have been deluded by it and who have deluded themselves are having a rather brutal little awakening over this thread.

No, I asked that my videos not be used as CTE references because I am not sure exactly that what I am dong is "proper" CTE. Would be no different if I put up some videos where I am demonstrating my understanding of Ghost Ball with the disclaimer that I am "learning".

The difference between you and I is that I am in communication with those who know what CTE is. I am student of it rather than a critic.

So let's say that I manage to get all the available information on Earth concerning CTE and I take it out as far as I can.

At that moment I can be the one who defines it's practicality and limitations. Until that moment I can't define it because I don't know it.

How can you define and constrain what you don't know?

You are taking limited input, that being incomplete instructions and coming to a conclusion.

Instead of saying, "based on what I do know, the system cannot work", you simply jump straight to "it cannot work".

For a guy who is supposedly rooted in science you delve a lot into predictive pyschology by assigning motivation and anxiety to people.

This thread is merely entertainment. You're just the newest member of the contrarian's club.

And really, that's ok because I have said many times in the past that CTE should be able to withstand scrutiny. If I could I would defy Hal's wishes and post up instructions, charts, videos, and whatever it took to get people to see his systems in action and be able to "get them" based on those remote instructions.

But I am not THAT into the subject matter as to do much more than be a cheerleader at this time. I don't have the deep involvement as Dave and Stan and Scott and Randy have. Don't have the equipment nor the time to treat it properly.

Which is why my involvement is limited to discussion where I simply stand up to be counted as someone who can testify to getting a better game thanks to Hal Houle AND putting up a few videos where I show the progress of my studies in this area.

I seriously doubt that anyone who truly knows CTE or is very close has had any kind of "brutal awakening" as to it's invalidity. I guess you missed the part where Fred Agnir pointed out that there is NOTHING new in this thread that hasn't been said a 1000 times before and that includes your charts. Those of us who USE CTE and similar systems to aim successfully are very happy with what it does for our game and we just laugh at you because we think you desperately want to know the "secret sauce" that makes CTE tick but you can not bring yourself to simply ask for it nicely.

And now it's too late, you have sown the seeds of discord and must reap the harvest of ignorance. As I told you, better to start over with a new identity and cozy up to those who know. Then MAYBE you have a chance to get the missing piece of the puzzle.
 
PRO ONE is not just an aiming system, it's a professional aiming system.

Yikes! If you think that sort of empty, jazzed up statement will impress doubters or undecideds then..........well, honestly, it probably wouldn't surprise me.

Actually, the statement DOES elicit thoughts of professionals: professional marketers.
 
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