Have you ever contributed anything valuable to any discussion here? All I see from you are "funny" remarks and insults. If you want to troll, at least be entertaining!
A CTE test!
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Have you ever contributed anything valuable to any discussion here? All I see from you are "funny" remarks and insults. If you want to troll, at least be entertaining!
lol your a funny guy, i know more about this system then all of you put together and im still helping people out through pms. I would have straighten out the river boat guy with his ignorance, but i didnt think it would help. Trolling i will leave to you my friend, since you have been doing it before the dvd came out in these cte threads.
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You obviously have not tried the system to make a statement like that. To people who have tried it, your statement makes you sound foolish. I can identify my contact points, sight the face of the ball, move into the shot like any other, pivot to center and fire the ball in without looking up at the ball on many shots. It obviously works as described on many shots as anyone who has put some time into it can tell you. However, respected people have presented math that suggests the system will not work for certain shots, and I would like to see at the table if they are correct. I have to admit that there are some shots that I have a tough time figuring out which sight alignment and pivot is correct, but I am not sure if it is just difficulty finding the alignment, or if certain shots can't be made, thus a suggestion for a test like this.
I don't disagree with you, but that does not take away value from a system like CTE. If it helps people get into the correct aim line, why wouldn't you use it. I do agree that people see differently, and this system WILL NOT be for everyone. It took me a while to figure out how to see what Stan was describing. I also think the system takes a lot of practice to become proficient with.
Certainly you will go nowhere without good stroke mechanics, but the best mechanics won't help you make a ball if they are aimed at the wrong spot. You're probably not going to win many games without good speed control either. Pool is much more than just aiming, but it is a vital component. This thread is just to see if it really works as described for all shots instead of just some, as many of us already know that works for many of the shots we have tried.
This post adds no value to the thread and does no more than what you are suggesting of champs posts. Please keep the posts to comments about the original idea. Thanks!
I could simply copy and paste my above comment here. I'd love to here reasonably stated informative posts regarding fact about the system from you guys or you actual experience with truely trying the system. It seems that you guys are good players and may have something to add. However, if you have not legitimately tried the system, you may want to reconsider posting on it. I'm not looking for a troll based mud slinging thread. Just for someone to tell me what shots can't be made, and for someone else to post up how to make them, or actual shoot a video of them making them with their description of the sight lines and pivot. Thanks!
I am really just someone who wants to see if this system is accurate or not, without any real bias, so I may add it to my game or not. I know you suggest that the system works based off some feel adjustments, so you don't feel any test would work. For me, I would be happy to watch someone shoot a shot that would be considered mathematically impossible to shoot with CTE as it stands, then go down to my table and try to reproduce the shot myself. My results will be enough to convince at least myself one way or another, as I know I will not allow adjustment into the shot to see if it works. I believe you yourself have suggested that their are certain shots that can't be made mathematically. Please offer a few up so someone can try them at the table.
How do you prove it was lined up using strict CTE steps? Because somebody says that's what they did?
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chgo
Will you guys get a clue about this testing stuff? People shooting shots and saying they're not subconsciously adjusting is not real evidence. It's called subconscious for a reason.
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chgo
The point I am making is that if I do it myself, I know that I used CTE to do it, and do not have to rely on someone else.
The ability to subconsciously adjust for the shot can be strongly controlled by removing the factors that allow for adjustment. Besides, if someone can not position themelves into the CTE line, pivot, then look up and tell whether or not they adjust their position from there, then they have little hope of ever being able to consistently deliver the cue on a straight line.
It may be possible that no perfect test exists, but one should be able to be done that gives a reasonable idea of the effectiveness of the system for a given shot, especially if one is not biased when performing the test.
Horray !!
That s something you can tell some ppl 24 hours a day....and some will never understand it-- even if someone says "I just play by feel* he s using for sure kind of system-bc he just created his own over the years and however-that s all what counts! Just find out, what works best for you.
The only thing what is necessary at all is to get a repeatable and straight stroke.
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Ingo
No you are not. You are a cheerleader for the rabble who support an untenable system. Don't play the poor me, I'm just trying to get by here crap with this audience. If you want to learn about aiming systems then use the search button, or pony up and buy a DVD. This thread is a cheap shot at naysayers, and nothing else.
I think we are considering this part a given. Obviously nothing else matters if you can't hit the ball where you are aiming. You still need to be able to aim in the right spot though.
I am still surprised at the resistance this is receiving (not CTE, but a simple proposed test). It would not be hard or time consuming on either side. Instead of posting regarding the proposed test, everyone is posting on the validity or necessity of a system like CTE. Just from doing it on a number of shots, I am convinced that the system works. I just don't know if it works for all ranges of shots, and would like to find out.
I won't go to the point of accusations or name calling, however I believe you are mistaken in this case. I have the DVD and have watched it a number of times. I have read most of the garbage that has become the CTE threads. I have spent a number of hours working on the system, and definately find value in it thus far for many shots. However, I also find some difficulties in it, mainly with finding and performing the correct sight alignments and pivots for certain shots that I have had some difficulty with. I wonder if these shots fit into the mathematical gray areas that require some adjustment after the pivot (proposed by the nays), or if it needs a bridge adjustment or 1/8th overlap that I am missing, thus the proposed test. I have no desire to allow my own bias to get in the way of reality, and this thread has no underlying purpose except to see if the system works well or not for all shots. It definately works well for some, and as much as some might say, I KNOW that I am not making adjustments once I am down as I have tested that myself. I still think the jury is out overall though for certain shots, and would like to answer the question with real life application instead of conjecture, assumption and bias. We have all seen the theories and what it looks like on paper in the previous threads. Now lets put it to the table.
I don't care if someone can take the proposed shot and make it because they could be adjusting somehow. I want to see them make it with a certain sight line and pivot, then be able to reproduce that or not at the table myself to see if it works.
The problem is that there are to many variables.
fixed pivot point or air pivot point?
fixed bridge hand or morphing bridge hand?
pivot from edge or pivot from 1/2 tip offset (from somewhere)?
Thre are to many things that can be "fudged" without notice by a third party......Similar to how magic works...:wink:.........It "appears" that the coin just vanished...but did it?
CTRs.....or "yaysayers" as they have been self labled.....will tell you that the pivot point does not really matter...or it "works itself out"
Here is a much simpler test that will show IMO where the method is not "exact" and the human brain must make its own calculations or assumptions.
Set up any shot of medium length....and follow the manual CTE steps.
Find the CTEL, Set up on your identified cue line (using any of the various descriptions of the method), Make your pivot to center CB.
BUT......for the first shot use a 1" pivot point (just behind the ferrule)....for the second shot use a 29" pivot point (at the joint of the cue)
My bet is that you don't make the shot with either of the pivot points.
The actual pivot point needed to make the shot is "somewhere in between" and varies just as the shots on a pool table varies.....what that variable is and how to find it.........well.....:wink:
fixed pivot point or air pivot point?
fixed bridge hand or morphing bridge hand?
pivot from edge or pivot from 1/2 tip offset (from somewhere)?
Thre are to many things that can be "fudged" without notice by a third party......Similar to how magic works...:wink:.........It "appears" that the coin just vanished...but did it?
CTRs.....or "yaysayers" as they have been self labled.....will tell you that the pivot point does not really matter...or it "works itself out"
Here is a much simpler test that will show IMO where the method is not "exact" and the human brain must make its own calculations or assumptions.
Set up any shot of medium length....and follow the manual CTE steps.
Find the CTEL, Set up on your identified cue line (using any of the various descriptions of the method), Make your pivot to center CB.
BUT......for the first shot use a 1" pivot point (just behind the ferrule)....for the second shot use a 29" pivot point (at the joint of the cue)
My bet is that you don't make the shot with either of the pivot points.
The actual pivot point needed to make the shot is "somewhere in between" and varies just as the shots on a pool table varies.....what that variable is and how to find it.........well.....:wink:
I will have to try the changing pivot idea with straight in shots. However, I am only going to adjust the pivot as much as I would with my normal stroke, to see if it makes a difference for my stroke. I know the DVD already gives suggestions for adjustments in bridge length, but I have not played with that part of it much yet.
Here are a few for you to try, but they are all on 9 ft table which does make a difference in being able to reach shots.
Basiclly, CTE has problems with shots where you can not get into perfect bridge, stance, or cue placement. I've read of anyone using CTE with a mechincal bridge either, not can it be used on one handed shots. How bout a behind the back shot that is used at times when the OB abd CB are both close to a rail and pocket on the long side of the table?
Get away from just playing 9 ball or 1 pocket and you will see how limiting and useless CTE is.
Basiclly, CTE has problems with shots where you can not get into perfect bridge, stance, or cue placement. I've read of anyone using CTE with a mechincal bridge either, not can it be used on one handed shots. How bout a behind the back shot that is used at times when the OB abd CB are both close to a rail and pocket on the long side of the table?
Get away from just playing 9 ball or 1 pocket and you will see how limiting and useless CTE is.
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I fail to see why anyone would post something like this. If you are that sick of CTE threads, then just stay out of them. Sometimes its like a 1st grade playground around here.
Surely you can give me at least 3rd grade status.