Changing the Rules in the Middle of a Tourney..

Teddydog said:
Well, there is certainly some measure to what u say, but I think I have been fair.. I stated what I thought, ammended it to say that thinking it was intentionally done was too strong, and apologized, and done nothing sense but raise pertinent questions about the shot clock, and this site.. I asked the referee what matches he used the clock on, and instead of answering, he deflects by saying I'm yelling at him (which is utterly ridiculous, and childish), and now he refers me to the stream (which I watched, BTW... ALL 3 DAYS.. Sorry for yelling), but I never saw any match go on the clock..

I said I'll admit it if I'm wrong, but so far, nobody has shown me that I am..
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actually Teddy-boy ... you are...I was not going to jump in since Kennan has been doing such a great job of answering the questions for everyone... however... I was the ref on the JJ/Klatt match that took over 3 hours... and several times I consulted the TD about putting the match on the clock AND Ken Shuman came out and specifically addressed BOTH players to step up their game play. It was the intention of the TD's to allow the players to play their games as they were coming down to the final matches.... however, and do know I have the utmost respect for all the players that were at this tournament. Having over 11... yes... 11 years refereeing experience... when a player exhibits slow play over the course of several of their matches... Deschaine/Klatt/Jones... to name a few, they leave the TD/Ref no other alternative than to enforce the shot clock rule. is it "fair"? by all means, one rule is truly no stronger than any other rule..... unless you want to discuss unsportsmanlike conduct. I am sorry that our performance as the officials for this were disappointing to you. and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally, I think everyone did a fabulous job, and am very proud to have been a part of the event.


Kristie Womack
Senior National Referee - BCAPL
 
Boo's Girl said:
actually Teddy-boy ... you are...I was not going to jump in since Kennan has been doing such a great job of answering the questions for everyone... however... I was the ref on the JJ/Klatt match that took over 3 hours... and several times I consulted the TD about putting the match on the clock AND Ken Shuman came out and specifically addressed BOTH players to step up their game play. It was the intention of the TD's to allow the players to play their games as they were coming down to the final matches.... however, and do know I have the utmost respect for all the players that were at this tournament. Having over 11... yes... 11 years refereeing experience... when a player exhibits slow play over the course of several of their matches... Deschaine/Klatt/Jones... to name a few, they leave the TD/Ref no other alternative than to enforce the shot clock rule. is it "fair"? by all means, one rule is truly no stronger than any other rule..... unless you want to discuss unsportsmanlike conduct. I am sorry that our performance as the officials for this were disappointing to you. and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally, I think everyone did a fabulous job, and am very proud to have been a part of the event.


Kristie Womack
Senior National Referee - BCAPL
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I mirror your sentiments Kristie!

You did a fantastic job the entire event! It was a pleasure working with you, Kennan and Ken Shuman as referees on the TV table. Keep up the good work!

Thanks,

Ray
 
donuteric said:
You obviously won't be satisfied no matter what responses are given here.

What do you want? Mike and everyone involved in the tournament cheated. Your brother should've won. Happy?
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LOL.. Unbelievable!.. I never mentioned Mike, except to say he played very well, and deserved to win (granted, this was in another thread).. I never said the refs cheated, and in fact mentioned that, although Jeremy himself believed Mike fouled, I certainly couldn't make that judgement from where I was, and that I thought the tournament was run exceptionally well..

Where I have a ***king problem, is when this jerk off referee tells me he used a shot clock in 7 different matches, when I know for a fact he didn't.. And when I asked him to prove it, he ***king threatened me.. And I certainly have an issue with ***king retards like you, who can not even follow the fricken bouncing ball!.. Learn how to ***king read, you ***king idiot pool player!..
 
Boo's Girl said:
actually Teddy-boy ... you are...I was not going to jump in since Kennan has been doing such a great job of answering the questions for everyone... however... I was the ref on the JJ/Klatt match that took over 3 hours... and several times I consulted the TD about putting the match on the clock AND Ken Shuman came out and specifically addressed BOTH players to step up their game play. It was the intention of the TD's to allow the players to play their games as they were coming down to the final matches.... however, and do know I have the utmost respect for all the players that were at this tournament. Having over 11... yes... 11 years refereeing experience... when a player exhibits slow play over the course of several of their matches... Deschaine/Klatt/Jones... to name a few, they leave the TD/Ref no other alternative than to enforce the shot clock rule. is it "fair"? by all means, one rule is truly no stronger than any other rule..... unless you want to discuss unsportsmanlike conduct. I am sorry that our performance as the officials for this were disappointing to you. and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally, I think everyone did a fabulous job, and am very proud to have been a part of the event.


Kristie Womack
Senior National Referee - BCAPL
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Kristie,
Pinegar/ Jones first round match went on for hours also. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that was the longest match of the tournament. I believe Kennan refereed that one - his feet musta been hurtin because he never sat down!

I told you this as we were both leaving - you did a fantastic job - and you were also a lot of fun to chat with!
 
Of course. You win. :)

I will now go learn how to ***king follow the fricken bouncing ball. It's better time spent that way than to discuss things in a liberal way with you.
 
MOJOE said:
I've gotta say, I don't think Drew is doing JJ any favors here.. JJ is a big boy and can speak for himself.. I've seen him play live many times and he has always been very professional on and off the table.

I'm pretty sure he can handle the situation and speak his own mind if necessary.. I don't thing the OP is going to accept what anyone here has to say.. Some people are impossible to please and choose to believe they are right no matter what evidence is presented.. I believe this is such a case!
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Tell you what.. I think I know my brother a little better than you.. Thank you.. What he should have done is not played the final at all, and told them good luck with their ESPN broadcast, with no finals..
 
donuteric said:
Of course. You win. :)

I will now go learn how to ***king follow the fricken bouncing ball. It's better time spent that way than to discuss things in a liberal way with you.
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Liberal way?.. Do you even know what liberal means, idiot?.. I mean, you had 10 fricken pages of posts, and you still completely misrepresented almost everything I have said, so you have to be a ***king retard..
 
Oops. Only 9 fricken pages, really. Maybe my sense of understanding of your rationale will be a bit better once this thread reaches 10 pages. But for now, I'm busy learning how to ***king follow the fricken bouncing ball.
 
Boo's Girl said:
actually Teddy-boy ... you are...I was not going to jump in since Kennan has been doing such a great job of answering the questions for everyone... however... I was the ref on the JJ/Klatt match that took over 3 hours... and several times I consulted the TD about putting the match on the clock AND Ken Shuman came out and specifically addressed BOTH players to step up their game play. It was the intention of the TD's to allow the players to play their games as they were coming down to the final matches.... however, and do know I have the utmost respect for all the players that were at this tournament. Having over 11... yes... 11 years refereeing experience... when a player exhibits slow play over the course of several of their matches... Deschaine/Klatt/Jones... to name a few, they leave the TD/Ref no other alternative than to enforce the shot clock rule. is it "fair"? by all means, one rule is truly no stronger than any other rule..... unless you want to discuss unsportsmanlike conduct. I am sorry that our performance as the officials for this were disappointing to you. and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Personally, I think everyone did a fabulous job, and am very proud to have been a part of the event.


Kristie Womack
Senior National Referee - BCAPL
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It was the intention of the TD to allow the players to play their game, right up until he wasn't gonna allow players to play their game.. I mean really?.. Just admit it was because the hotel was putting pressure on you, cause "matches were taking too long" is about as pathetic as excuses get, lady..

And another thing.. Your man Kennan didn't answer me when I asked him to tell me the 7 different matches he used a shot clock (cause it was a lie.. He never instilled a shot clock the entire week end), and when I pressed him on it, he ***king threatened me.. But hey, that's not out of line, right?.. Just questioning how the tourney was run is..

He's lucky he didn't ***king say it to my face, cause I don't a schitt how big he ***king is..
 
donuteric said:
Oops. Only 9 fricken pages, really. Maybe my sense of understanding of your rationale will be a bit better once this thread reaches 10 pages. But for now, I'm busy learning how to ***king follow the fricken bouncing ball.
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9, 10... The point is, you obviously do not comprehend what you read..
 
This thread has become pretty sad.. I'd be ticked off if someone spoke up for me and handled things the way the OP has.. Pretty pitiful in fact!! He's not going to get it folks, no point in wasting any more time trying!!
 
Neil said:
Seems you don't either. Keenan never did threaten you. You just twisted it enough to make it a threat because that is what you wanted to hear. Earlier you asked why JJ doesn't get more "respect" on here. You being his spokesperson sure doesn't help him any. Although the real reason is because he hasn't been in the spotlight for a while.;)
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I asked him to clarify, and he didn't.. That's a threat, brother.. I don't care where you go.. I gave him a chance to explain what he meant, and he abstained.. How would you decipher that?..

And the reason Jeremy gets the shaft around here, is because he broke up with one of the site owners.. But, of course, you don't have a clue about that, do you?..
 
MOJOE said:
This thread has become pretty sad.. I'd be ticked off if someone spoke up for me and handled things the way the OP has.. Pretty pitiful in fact!! He's not going to get it folks, no point in wasting any more time trying!!
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I think it's you people that don't "get it".. In over 150 matches on the men's side, the shot clock was used twice.. That's it..
 
Neil said:
For someone so intent on "following rules", maybe you ought to read the rules on posting on this site. That is, unless you are trying to get banned.;)
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Tell you what, grand pa.. When people attack me, and threaten me, and call me names, I fire back.. If that means I get banned, well boo ***king who!..

And don't tell me I am misunderstanding anything, brother, cause I've been speaking this ***king language since I was 2 years old, and I know when someone is threatening me, grand pa..
 
Grandpa Neil.. Really!!

That's funny, in jest Neil.. I'm sure you are just all tore up over that insult!

Seems like someone may still be in grade school.. Just saying.. ;)
 
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