Jump cues for the pros, yes or no?
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There was a time when I felt jump cues were ok. Now, with years of reflection, I see them as a crutch, gimmick, pocket fisherman of pool. I know they make many manufacturers a ton of cash, but when I see a player pullout a jumper it seems to cheapen the experience IMO. Safety play is a HUGE part of the game, and when a well executed, well thought out safety is nullified by a jump shot, then somehow the cueball gets safe, it makes me sick.
Jumping with a full cue is great IMO.....if you can do it, win with it! to break out a shorty because you got put into a trap makes me want to go floss and use mouth wash!
G.
Jumping with a full cue is great IMO.....if you can do it, win with it! to break out a shorty because you got put into a trap makes me want to go floss and use mouth wash!
G.
IMO, jump cues add a new dimension to the game, kind of like the 3-point shot in professional basketball. Golfers have specialty clubs for various situations but nobody complains about that.
In addition, I don't see why some people should be allowed to jump with their playing cue but not with a jump cue.
I can't vote because there's no definition of the tip composition on the jump cue.:embarrassed2:
Jumping with their playing cue is like a 3 point shot, the jump cues make jumping like a free throw...
Thats OK, you are new around here but we already had THAT discussion as well when we discussed phenolic tips on jump cues and break cues so we don't need to discuss it yet again. Feel free to use the "search" function and catch up on that discussion though if you so desire.
Yeah, how many basketball centers do you see regularly shooting 3-point shots? How many football quarterbacks do you see kicking field goals? These teams typically use specialists to execute certain plays.
In pool, many players use special cues for certain shots: break cues for breaking, playing cues for playing and jump cues for jumping.
Simple answers is NO!
Players that are playing in Professional tournaments must consider themselves to be of a very high skill level. Therefore they are or should be highly versed on the art of kicking! They should be forced to use all of their abundant talent in the proper way. Professional players and those that think they are of that same skill level, should NOT be allowed to use jump cues. It would be like letting a marksman put a laser on his gun! Just a complete cheating aid!!
The only people that should use jump cues are AMATEURS. These people have not learned the art of kicking. They get incredibly excited when they make contact off of a one rail kick shot!!
Unfortunately, the introduction of these jump cues has pretty much put an end to the art of kicking. Everyone is so quick to reach for one of these gimmicky cues, that they don't take the time to learn how to kick. It's a shame really, so much beauty in the game when played properly.
Players that are playing in Professional tournaments must consider themselves to be of a very high skill level. Therefore they are or should be highly versed on the art of kicking! They should be forced to use all of their abundant talent in the proper way. Professional players and those that think they are of that same skill level, should NOT be allowed to use jump cues. It would be like letting a marksman put a laser on his gun! Just a complete cheating aid!!
The only people that should use jump cues are AMATEURS. These people have not learned the art of kicking. They get incredibly excited when they make contact off of a one rail kick shot!!
Unfortunately, the introduction of these jump cues has pretty much put an end to the art of kicking. Everyone is so quick to reach for one of these gimmicky cues, that they don't take the time to learn how to kick. It's a shame really, so much beauty in the game when played properly.
The problem is, I believe in jump cues, but not phenolic tips.
Polls aren't easy to design. Somebody that knows half of that their doing in terms of asking and writing the questions should start one. depending on how you word things, it biases the results.
Polls aren't easy to design. Somebody that knows half of that their doing in terms of asking and writing the questions should start one. depending on how you word things, it biases the results.
I was wondering how long it would take you to get here. Haha!
Well it is kind of a silly proposition. The whole thing is silly. Jump cues are part of the game now deal with it. No one plays on slow Mali or Stevens cloth anymore. It was MUCH easier to jump with a full cue on that cloth than it is on thinner Simonis and equivalent cloth. It's MUCH easier to jump on thicker slate than it is on thinner slate.
The jump cue makes it the same to jump with all those conditions. It's not any different than chalk.
If you don't want jump cues then ban the jump shot. Because as long as the jump shot is allowed then people will tinker with cues specifically engineered to make that shot more consistent.
Might as well ask if low deflection shafts should only be allowed in professional events.......
You're right. We have to deal with the fact that the jump shot is legal. It's up to the tournaments to not allow the jump cue itself.
These polls are just asking everyone's opinion. You may be on the most popular side or you may not. Either way is not going to change the fact that it's a legal shot. You don't have to like jump cues, I don't like them, but the fact is they exist and in most tournaments they are legal to use.
I wish that people's opinion could be used to change rules in pool. I would love to get rid of the luck factor in 9-ball where you can slop a ball in!
You're right. We have to deal with the fact that the jump shot is legal. It's up to the tournaments to not allow the jump cue itself.
These polls are just asking everyone's opinion. You may be on the most popular side or you may not. Either way is not going to change the fact that it's a legal shot. You don't have to like jump cues, I don't like them, but the fact is they exist and in most tournaments they are legal to use.
I wish that people's opinion could be used to change rules in pool. I would love to get rid of the luck factor in 9-ball where you can slop a ball in!
Actually the fact that so many tournaments take it upon themselves to CHANGE the rules, be it for jump cues or other parts of the game is a HUGE reason that pool is in the toilet in the USA right now.
You don't see other sports changing the rules at every event where tournament directors and promoters get to change the rules according to their whim. They stay consistent so that the players know what to expect from event to event.
#1. How do you know that jump cues make many manufacturers a "ton" of cash? Have you ever manufactured a jump cue? Ever sold them as a business? They are simply a cue that is offered for sale among all the other cues offered for sale because the rules allow for them. There are about 10-15 brands of jump cues on the market and the market is saturated. So no, it's not about the "cash" and there isn't a "ton" of it.
#2. A safe is not "nullified" by the fact that an opponent has a jump cue. A safe is a safe and how good it is depends on how MANY ways out of that the player has cut off. What if I have a little book at my table that has every possible layout and how to play it? So you play your wonderful and well thought out safe and I step to the table and destroy it because I was able to reference my little book and find the appropriate response. Two tips left at the third diamond with medium speed. Are you going to want to ban my book?
Ok, so you ban my book for use at the table. So I simply study my book intensely and thus I have an answer for any safety you can think of. But merely possessing the book doesn't mean I can execute the shots in the book. The book only gives me the starting point. Just as the jump cue give me the starting point. So you play safe and I elect to jump it.
Now I have KNOW how hard to hit the ball, what angle to use, what spin? If I don't have a very good grasp on that then in all likelihood I will fail to get over the blocking ball or most likely sell out. I have to GET LUCKY to have a successful outcome. However IF I do know what to do then you "well thought out safe" wasn't really that good. Maybe you should invest more time learning to cut off the jump shot just as you should be learning to cut off the easy kick shots.
In three cushion one players never want to leave a BIG ball for their opponents. That is when the object ball is in a position to be hit from a large number of approach angles making the target "big" or very wide.
In pool if you leave an easy kick shot or an easy jump then it's the same as the big ball. The tighter you play the safe the more skill the opponent has to have to get out of it.
#3. Jumping with a full cue.......so you are of the opinion that men are only men if they can jump with a full cue? So if I put up a video of some guy trying to jump with a full cue and failing you will think he has no talent right? Then if I put up a video the very next day of the same guy making all kinds of jump shots with a full cue you will think he is a genius right?
What would you say if I told you that all I changed was the cue?
Doesn't that make cue #2 a "jump cue" of sorts?
Also real men don't use dental floss. They use razor blades to clean between their teeth.......
The fact that it is 60-40 right now makes me wanna use mouthwash. I am very surprised this many people feel that way. To counter just one of your points though, don't we see more safeties get nullified by kicks than by jumps? I know you wont argue against kicking. I posted this thought before, but I welcome jump cues, there is almost a total loss of control of the ob with them with the average player. I'm just one of these guys that never expects (or feels the need for) ball in hand, all I do expect is a calculated chance at control of the table. I guess my point being, think like me and you will have less problems with rules that we obviously all have to live by. But to each their own. I mean who cares how the cb and ob got where they are when you come to the table, just deal with it. Sorry, but that is the attitude of a good player imo.
Actually not really.... If your opponent can jump it you played a weak arse safe and didn't freeze them... Unless they are not very good you have in all likely hood left them a kick... They kick it in or kick safe you think they just got lucky on you... It's when they rub your weak arse safe under your nose by jumping and making it that you think there is something wrong.... sadly you think it was that they could jump that is wrong... Instead of the fact that you were wrong about your level of defense or how jam up your safe was.....